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    Meanwhile, the judge gave old Wilbur quite the hiding.

    In his ruling, Furman said Ross had “ignored, and violated” a statute that requires him to collect data through administrative records instead of through direct inquiries for surveys such as the census.
    Furman added that Ross had “failed to consider several important aspects of the problem; alternately ignored, cherry-picked, or badly misconstrued the evidence in the record before him; — a veritable smorgasbord of classic, clear-cut APA violations.”
    Seen in that light, it is impossible to accept Defendants’ interpretation of the facts.
    In the face of Plaintiffs’ strong evidence that the citizenship question will cause a differential decline in self-response rates among noncitizen households, Defendants demand that Plaintiffs also rebut their unsupported assurances that the Census Bureau will figure out a way to fix the problem, even though it has never done so before. To the extent that Plaintiffs must carry that additional burden, they have done so, as their evidence about NRFU’s inadequacies in this context is far more persuasive than Defendants’ conclusory assertions that NRFU will suddenly work exactly as hoped. In any event, on the whole, a preponderance of the evidence establishes that the incremental net differential decline in self-response rates among noncitizen households caused by the citizenship question, and any similar decline among Hispanics, will remain uncured by NRFU, and will thus ripen into an incremental net differential undercount of the people who live in such households.


    In sum, the Court find that the addition of a citizenship question to the 2020 census will cause an incremental net decline in self-response rates of at least 5.8% among
    noncitizen households, and a significant but unquantified net decline in self-response rates among Hispanic households. The Census Bureau’s NRFU operations will not remedy those declines, which means that they will translate into an incremental net differential undercount of people who live in such households in the 2020 census.
    Admittedly, it is difficult to precisely quantify the exact size of the net differential undercounts attributable to the citizenship question. Significantly, though, that is because of the
    difficulty of quantifying the exact effects of the Census Bureau’s efforts to fix the problem, a subject about which there is frustratingly little quantitative evidence in the record. Starting with the conservative estimate of a 5.8% net decline in self-response rates among noncitizen households, the Court can find little justification in the record to depart from that estimate when arriving at a finding of the likely net undercount of people who live in noncitizen households.
    Indeed, as already discussed at great length, the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that NRFU operations will simply replicate all of the same effects on noncitizen response that will cause the decline in self-response in the first place.
    On the other side of the ledger,Defendants have offered no quantifiable evidence of their own to support, much less quantify, their assertions of NRFU’s hoped-for curative effects.


    https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/census_decision.pdf


    Ouch

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    case likely headed to Supreme Court.....


    Justice Department spokeswoman Kelly Laco said, “We are disappointed and are still reviewing the ruling.” She added that the government is “legally entitled to include the question on the census.”


    Democratic lawmakers have said they will seek to defund or otherwise block the question if it is not stopped by litigation.


    Testing of Census 2020 questions has been completed, but after an outcry about the untested citizenship question, the Census Bureau said it plans to test the question this summer. That testing would come after forms are scheduled to be printed but could help the bureau anticipate and plan for the question’s effect on response rates.


    The administration is expected to appeal Tuesday’s ruling to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit and up to the Supreme Court.
    The Supreme Court already has scheduled a hearing on one aspect of the case, but it seems likely that the administration would ask the court to broaden that inquiry.


    In October, the Supreme Court intervened to block the deposition of Ross but allowed other depositions and the trial to go forward.



    The administration in its briefs has already told the court that adding the question was unremarkable. “With the exception of 1840, decennial censuses from 1820 to 1880 asked for citizenship or birthplace in some form, and decennial censuses from 1890 through 1950” also included the question, the administration said.


    But the last time it was on the decennial form, in 1950, immigration was not the political hot button it is now. A citizenship question does exist on the American Community Survey, a questionnaire that goes out to much smaller subsets of the population......snip~ From the link.




    SCOTUS slapped the leftness with a $#@!slap on trying to deposition Ross. The question use to be on the Census. SCOTUS will have to give the leftness another $#@!slap upside their domes to make them get Right.


    I recommend SCOTUS use an Iron Gauntlet so that the Left don't ever forget, again.


    Remember Democrats will always go deviate.
    all we need to know is where this ruling came from to understand it: Judge Jesse M. Furman of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I very much doubt that all their employees are of one mind regarding religion, although I will admit the possibility.

    More to the point, what's to prevent other corporations of using the same argument, even if their motivation is other than religious?

    I just think it's a bad precedent to set.
    That is what lawyers do. Look at past cases and apply them or show how they differ to the current fact pattern.

    I would offer the same analysis for Citizens United- a closely held corporation created to engage in political discussion. IBM, as an example, was not created to engage in political discourse, but to make computers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.b4e5cf495e95

    This is the question SecCommerce Wilbur Ross lied about repeatedly, stating that the Justice Dept had requested it, when in fact it was Ross who spearheaded the idea.
    This ruling will go down in flames, and the question will be back on the census.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    Meanwhile, the judge gave old Wilbur quite the hiding.





    [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/census_decision.pdf


    Ouch
    The judge made quite a few excuses for replacing the law with his policy preference. We need a one strike and you out rule for radical judges.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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