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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    Do you ever get the feeling that having discussions such as these, is like trying to explain to someone why water is wet?

    As much as I disagree, I give Who credit for sticking to opinions and ideas about the topic, how shutdowns affect people, rather than addressing the people with opinions and ideas about it. Try it, contribute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Remember, the EPA and other regulatory agencies put people out of work all the time (learn to code) and shed not one tear about it. (How many tears do you think that ACO and her cronies will shed about insurance company employees they put out of work? -- I can tell you: none) Shortly after the 2016 election, I saw an article something along this line about how Washington forgot that closing businesses and putting people on welfare or handouts was a real thing and that those people struck back at the elites. Do you really expect people in flyover country to give one rat's ass about some federal employee being laid off - while knowing that they'll get all of their back pay?
    It's not just government employees who are or would be affected by a prolonged shutdown.
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    Here's a study on What’s the economic impact of a government shutdown?

    It finds, based on the previous shutdown, two short term effects:

    1 "decline in average household spending of almost 10 percent"
    2 "households with a member who was furloughed and required to stay home from work slashed their spending more dramatically — by 15 percent to 20 percent"

    This was immediately balanced by what they call long-term effects:

    "This repayment, essentially increasing the size of their first post-shutdown paychecks, had significant and immediate effects on household spending. A sudden spike in spending occurred in the days after the paychecks were disbursed, largely erasing some of the most dramatic declines in spending during the previous two weeks."

    They speculate what effect a longer shut down might have but have no data to base it on.

    So it's a wash unless Congress refuses back pay.
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    The CBO finds the same as above, Government Shutdown Cut Into Economic Growth, CBO Says:

    The report says that because of the shutdown, which lasted from Dec. 22 through last Friday, about $18 billion in discretionary government spending was delayed. Most of the money will be spent later, now that the shutdown has ended.

    As a result, the nation's gross domestic product will be about 0.2 percentage points lower for the fourth quarter of 2018 and 0.4 percentage points lower during the first quarter of 2019 than it would have been, although part of that will be recouped later in the year.
    In short, an immediate small downturn followed by an recouperating upswing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Had it lasted, there would have been more significant consequences. Let's face it, some of those government services staffed by those who are considered essential but not getting paid would eventually have been shut down as those "essential" workers had to choose between their contractual agreements and the reality of having to pay bills. Furthermore, many of those non-essential services would also eventually begin to impact general commerce because it's not like the rules would all be suspended, so without those who administer 'the rules', everything associated with those rules would be suspended indefinitely. That would mean no imports, no international travel, no flights, no shipping ...
    Almost all the federal government does can be done by contractors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The Real Lesson of the Shutdown




    Shutdown, what shutdown?
    The real solution to these shutdowns is outsourcing. Airports can hire their own Air Traffic Controllers. Port Inspections would be an easy one to outsource. ships can't run. We control the trucking industry safety without 200,000 federal workers, It works fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Oh good God, "no imports, no international travel, no flights, no shipping"--the end of the world. Great imagination.
    Reagan fired the Air Traffic Controllers and we still flew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    It might impact you if all of the imported produce in the stores was no longer in the stores to buy and you couldn't get the medications that you need to survive because they are manufactured outside of the US.
    This is a joke right? This is America. We always find a way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Safety View Post
    The real lesson of the shutdown is that Laguardia Airport should have shut down 34 days sooner, then there would not have been a shutdown. I know all the hard right hacks think that shut downs are not really shut downs because their social security and AARP checks are still being mailed out, but for normal humans that walk upright, shutdowns are not a joke, especially when the true effects of it can never be felt initially because employees work without being paid.
    What's an AARP check? One of your imaginary things?
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