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    There's a difference between criticizing rage police and advocating killing them.

    If ione is criticizing them rationally, honestly and substantively about how they conduct their business, those people should be engaged by the leadership of the various departments across the country. That can be constructive. It can help build cooperation and trust.

    If one is calling for killing police officers or committing other violent acts and just roiling up militant types, they should be watched and surveilled. Those people aren't trying to build trust and cooperation. Police can't use that though as a justification to suspect everyone is in that camp.

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    There was a line in the article Helena cited that I thought was interesting.

    "If police officers don't want to be portrayed as the enemy, they should stop acting like the enemy."

    There is a certain amount of truth to that, but it is still a very broad statement that paints a lot of good cops in a negative light.

    Why wasn't the raid conducted by uniformed, easily identifiable officers? If somebody in plain clothes kicked in my front door and shot one or both of my dogs, they had better expect casualties.
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.” - Barry Goldwater

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    Officer apparently lied in seeking warrant before raid that left two dead. Houston's police chief said Friday that there appear to be "some material untruths or lies" in an affidavit used to get a warrant for a drug raid that left two people in the home dead.

    "Thus far it appears that there are some material untruths or lies in that affidavit — and that's a problem," Acevedo said. "That's totally unacceptable."
    "More than likely, the investigating officer will be charged with a serious crime at some point," the chief said.
    He added that there will be a review of past investigations, as well as a broader look at the department’s narcotics unit street level units.


    Earlier Friday, NBC affiliate KPRC of Houston obtained police documents that say narcotics Officer Gerald Goines justified the warrant request by claiming that he sent a confidential informant to make a narcotics buy at the home, and that the informant returned with what the informant said was heroin and said there was a weapon at the residence.
    But in the police documents, an investigator said they were unable to find that informant, and that all the informants listed as working with Goines denied making a drug buy for him at that home or ever buying from Tuttle or Nicholas. Acevedo acknowledged those documents Friday, but did not name the officer.

    Acevedo did not name what he called the "target officer" in the investigation into the shooting, but past cases will be investigated as well.

    "No matter what we end up with here, right, we know we have a criminal violation already — and a serious criminal violation by the individual that prepared that affidavit on the initial search warrant at the Harding Street location," Acevedo said.
    The Houston Police Officers’ Union said in a statement to KPRC that the facts detailed by Acevedo on Friday were "extremely concerning."





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    UPDATE: Former Houston cop Gerald Goines charged with murder in Harding Street raid

    https://www.khou.com/article/news/cr...5-354b4202525e

    Ogg said Goines and Bryant have been ordered to surrender by 3 p.m. Friday.
    What? You mean they don't get all the joy and benefit of being taken in? No courtesy no-knock raid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    Officer apparently lied in seeking warrant before raid that left two dead. Houston's police chief said Friday that there appear to be "some material untruths or lies" in an affidavit used to get a warrant for a drug raid that left two people in the home dead.

    "Thus far it appears that there are some material untruths or lies in that affidavit — and that's a problem," Acevedo said. "That's totally unacceptable."
    "More than likely, the investigating officer will be charged with a serious crime at some point," the chief said.
    He added that there will be a review of past investigations, as well as a broader look at the department’s narcotics unit street level units.


    Earlier Friday, NBC affiliate KPRC of Houston obtained police documents that say narcotics Officer Gerald Goines justified the warrant request by claiming that he sent a confidential informant to make a narcotics buy at the home, and that the informant returned with what the informant said was heroin and said there was a weapon at the residence.
    But in the police documents, an investigator said they were unable to find that informant, and that all the informants listed as working with Goines denied making a drug buy for him at that home or ever buying from Tuttle or Nicholas. Acevedo acknowledged those documents Friday, but did not name the officer.

    Acevedo did not name what he called the "target officer" in the investigation into the shooting, but past cases will be investigated as well.

    "No matter what we end up with here, right, we know we have a criminal violation already — and a serious criminal violation by the individual that prepared that affidavit on the initial search warrant at the Harding Street location," Acevedo said.
    The Houston Police Officers’ Union said in a statement to KPRC that the facts detailed by Acevedo on Friday were "extremely concerning."





    Police need to be made aware that if they are caught committing fraud against their departments and the public, lying to judges, falsifying documents and putting lives at risk in the interests of self promotion and a padded arrest record, they WILL, if convicted, be going to prison. General population, no anonymity. Make examples of a few of these super-cop-wannabes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Police need to be made aware that if they are caught committing fraud against their departments and the public, lying to judges, falsifying documents and putting lives at risk in the interests of self promotion and a padded arrest record, they WILL, if convicted, be going to prison. General population, no anonymity. Make examples of a few of these super-cop-wannabes.
    Mm. This is true. Rarely do cops get treated like the citizens they pretend to serve, though.

    How often do regular citizens get ordered to turn themselves in when charged with murder? I'm really asking.. I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    Mm. This is true. Rarely do cops get treated like the citizens they pretend to serve, though.

    How often do regular citizens get ordered to turn themselves in when charged with murder? I'm really asking.. I don't know.
    It isn't that unusual, so long as the individual is a fairly stable sort with a fixed address and not considered a flight risk. I really WISH it happened the way we see it done all the time on 'Law & Order' and 'L&O:SVU' - with the cops marching into the boardroom, the classroom, the restaurant, and taking the CEO, the professor or the big shot at his daughter's wedding rehearsal dinner out in handcuffs. Things like that should happen more frequently in the real world.
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    https://reason.com/2019/08/28/housto...ony-affidavit/

    The Houston Police Officers' Union is no longer covering the legal fees of Gerald Goines, who faces two murder charges. ...

    Ogg has said a Harris County grand jury will consider whether there is evidence to support criminal charges against other officers involved in the raid. "We are interested in figuring out whether the officers in the stack that were sent in by Gerald Goines were innocent players," she told KPRC. It seems fair to surmise that Gamaldi does not share her curiosity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    https://reason.com/2019/08/28/housto...ony-affidavit/

    The Houston Police Officers' Union is no longer covering the legal fees of Gerald Goines, who faces two murder charges. ...

    Ogg has said a Harris County grand jury will consider whether there is evidence to support criminal charges against other officers involved in the raid. "We are interested in figuring out whether the officers in the stack that were sent in by Gerald Goines were innocent players," she told KPRC. It seems fair to surmise that Gamaldi does not share her curiosity.
    If he gave false testimony to get a warrant, the Union is not on the hook to represent him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    There was a line in the article Helena cited that I thought was interesting.

    "If police officers don't want to be portrayed as the enemy, they should stop acting like the enemy." ....
    This reminded me of something I heard a police spokesman say earlier this week, regarding allegations of police misconduct - or at least some questions about the wisdom and effectiveness of some of their tactics - during an appearance in Phoenix by DJT in 2017. (Tear gas was dispersed onto peaceful crowds without warning, etc.) He said, "When you're dealing with protesters, make sure that what they're protesting is not you".
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