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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    Tell me no one else hasn't seen this for years? Part of it is evolution: the fight for equality and against racism has become so deeply ingrained in the Democratic party that it's beneficial for them to keep generating it. Now it's not just a matter of fighting for equality, but fighting for payback and being more equal than others.


    The anger many people feel is frustration against both parties. Both parties seek to ramp up emotions of their base and then, when nothing is done, their bases feel as frustrated as a teenage boy after dating a tease who is then left to limp home with a severe case of blue balls.

    The election of Trump wasn't so much that he was best man for the job or the first choice of his voters, but an example of the frustrations of American voters against a dysfunctional government and party leaders who tease them with lies. The fact Trump has proved himself to be far less than capable and is only supported by Alt-Right extremists just adds to the anger of the public. This was displayed last November and, unless the Republicans can get control of the situation, will be displayed again in 2020.

    The SJW-types are just angry LWers and half the problem.

    Well, that was pretty scattered but fighting for equality is to be applauded, as in the fight for the franchise by blacks and women. It's win-win at least in terms of democracy.

    Social just has moved beyond that demand inequality, to demand power over others. A win-lose situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Well, that was pretty scattered but fighting for equality is to be applauded, as in the fight for the franchise by blacks and women. It's win-win at least in terms of democracy.

    Social just has moved beyond that demand inequality, to demand power over others. A win-lose situation.
    This is the model that has been promoted by this President and his administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    This is the model that has been promoted by this President and his administration.
    That does seem to be the way liberals view him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That does seem to be the way liberals view him.
    I believe they do see him as a tyrant and someone who only thinks about winning no matter who he hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    I believe they do see him as a tyrant and someone who only thinks about winning no matter who he hurts.
    I don't see that in terms of social justice, but I won't defend his personality. I think the US is seeing a push-back on identity politics, PC and the like, and Trump tapped into that.
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    The word "woke" is another word for stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    Tell me no one else hasn't seen this for years? Part of it is evolution: the fight for equality and against racism has become so deeply ingrained in the Democratic party that it's beneficial for them to keep generating it. Now it's not just a matter of fighting for equality, but fighting for payback and being more equal than others.


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    The SJW-types are just angry LWers and half the problem.
    Sorry Bob, there are not 62 million+ "alt right extremists" in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I don't see that in terms of social justice, but I won't defend his personality. I think the US is seeing a push-back on identity politics, PC and the like, and Trump tapped into that.
    Yes, he certainly did tap into something coupled with the fact that the democrats have learned NOTHING from the last election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    The basic idea of Kimberle Crenshaw's theory of intersectionality is that our society imposes distinct, often artificial, identities upon various groups of people in order to maintain systems of power and that only by acknowledging the existence of those identities can you challenge the corresponding oppressions. She tirelessly recycles the historical example of an unsuccessful lawsuit against General Motors from back in the '80s when a group of black women sued the company for refusing to hire black women. The court decided that since the company hired black men to work on the floor, there was no racism going on, and since they hired white women to work as secretaries, there was no sexism going on either, even though they refused to hire black women at all. Crenshaw concludes therefore that black women constituted a distinct identity group whether as much was acknowledged in the law or not and that society needed to recognize as much in order to realize that there was, in fact, discrimination going on. That makes sense, does it not?

    I'm not personally a big fan of this theory. I mean I get that example. That makes sense. But the theory is so abused. It really is. Some of the common applications thereof that I have run up against have included being labeled a First Worldist for advocating the advancement of Western women...and also being labeled a racist and/or religious bigot for advocating the rights of women in poorer countries in the Middle East and Far East. Try finding a way out of that loop!

    Similarly, I've been told that feminists shouldn't support activism (like women's strikes, for example) because that's elitist; only wealthier women can afford to take off work. (That's bull$#@!, by the way. Last year in Spain, for example, 5.8 million women -- 20% of the country's female population -- participated in a women's strike on International Women's Day, to highlight a recent example of how feminist street actions most certainly can be mass events.) And all of this is before we even get into the thornier topics like gender identity (discrimination against "trans women") and the burkha (religious discrimination) and prostitution and pornography (discrimination against "sex workers", another distinct identity group, apparently), and so on and so on.

    When I highlight all these things, you can see how it might be more advantageous for the women's movement to go back to being a more autonomous movement of our own wherein we can process all these things through the lens of feminist theory instead of having to always check feminist theory for, you know, offensiveness. The whole ecosystem-of-oppressions perspective really has a tendency to reduce the movement, as well as other liberation movements for that matter, to the lowest common denominators.
    Polly, do you have the name or citation for that case? I’d like to read the actual opinion. Thx.
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    Social Justice or in other words Identity politics is simply about divide and conquer. It is crap as is all these fancy sounding terms like intersectionality etc..
    Only in a society as wealthy, free of discrimination and flush with leisure time does any of this matter.
    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining"----Fletcher in The Outlaw Josey Wales

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