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    Social justice has become a new excuse for prejudice

    This might help SJWs understand how they've gone astray.

    Social justice has become a new excuse for prejudice

    On a basic level, nothing could be more American than the idea of “social justice.” Theoretically, it is an ideological commitment to equality and fairness, seeking restitution for historical wrongs and achieving reconciliation.

    In reality, it is something far more sinister.

    Social justice is identity politics in practice, which has come to reject objectivity and colorblindness. It instructs adherents to see society as an unnavigable matrix of overlapping persecutions and reject meritocracy as an unattainable myth, sapping them of agency and robbing them of individuality....

    ...The tenets of this new faith proscribe what the University of California system has called the “myth of meritocracy.” Among the forbidden “micro-aggressions” the sufficiently woke should avoid are boilerplate expressions of patriotism like “America is the land of opportunity” and “Everyone can succeed in this society if they work hard enough.” Pupils are instructed that they cannot achieve their dreams without the aid of enlightened liberal Sherpas.

    ...While a legitimate theory for understanding prejudice, intersectionality has transformed its adherents into blinkered paranoiacs. It has driven the Women’s March organizers to embrace noxious elements like the cop killer Assata Shakur and the anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan. To abandon them would suggest devotees hold the same prejudices against which they claim to struggle.

    We are regressing to the point where we ascribe status based on hereditary traits. That is the only way to describe the so-called “right to be believed,” an idea endorsed by figures as prominent as Hillary Clinton, which requires deference, not impartiality, to the claims of alleged sexual-assault survivors. Adherents believe that misogyny is so interwoven into American institutions that such allegations are not fairly adjudicated in the justice system....

    Social justice confuses racial enlightenment with stereotyping, as exemplified by the recent confrontation between MAGA hat-clad teenagers from a Catholic school and a black nationalist group fronted by a Native American man. The Atlantic’s James Fallows explicitly rejected the idea of individuality in this conflict. To him, the teenagers were the nondescript heirs to the 20th century’s segregationists, and their abusers were their righteous and aggrieved victims. The Washington Post saw this as a chance to litigate the historic injustices the Catholic Church has visited upon America’s indigenous population....
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    I had to have intersectionality explained to me. What I came away with was this: "I win the game of being the most oppressed."

    It's a contest and it's laughable. It's why they have to now invent all sorts of identities which are bizarre and will be looked at as such, because that creates another tier in their big game of Who is the MOST Persecuted? I win, so give me my prize money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    I had to have intersectionality explained to me. What I came away with was this: "I win the game of being the most oppressed."

    It's a contest and it's laughable. It's why they have to now invent all sorts of identities which are bizarre and will be looked at as such, because that creates another tier in their big game of Who is the MOST Persecuted? I win, so give me my prize money.
    That's pretty much it. The degree to which you are persecuted depends on how many intersections you can claim, intersections of races, sex, sexual orientation and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That's pretty much it. The degree to which you are persecuted depends on how many intersections you can claim, intersections of races, sex, sexual orientation and so on.
    Well, damn, just damn. I'm am old, white, reasonably secure financially and live in the South.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Well, damn, just damn. I'm am old, white, reasonably secure financially and live in the South.

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    In the sixties, the progressives were all about free speech.
    Today, the progressives use SJ as dominant method of prohibiting free speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HawkTheSlayer View Post
    In the sixties, the progressives were all about free speech.
    Today, the progressives use SJ as dominant method of prohibiting free speech.
    On the basis of racism, sexualism...the very things they profess to be against as unjust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helena View Post
    I had to have intersectionality explained to me. What I came away with was this: "I win the game of being the most oppressed."

    It's a contest and it's laughable. It's why they have to now invent all sorts of identities which are bizarre and will be looked at as such, because that creates another tier in their big game of Who is the MOST Persecuted? I win, so give me my prize money.
    The basic idea of Kimberle Crenshaw's theory of intersectionality is that our society imposes distinct, often artificial, identities upon various groups of people in order to maintain systems of power and that only by acknowledging the existence of those identities can you challenge the corresponding oppressions. She tirelessly recycles the historical example of an unsuccessful lawsuit against General Motors from back in the '80s when a group of black women sued the company for refusing to hire black women. The court decided that since the company hired black men to work on the floor, there was no racism going on, and since they hired white women to work as secretaries, there was no sexism going on either, even though they refused to hire black women at all. Crenshaw concludes therefore that black women constituted a distinct identity group whether as much was acknowledged in the law or not and that society needed to recognize as much in order to realize that there was, in fact, discrimination going on. That makes sense, does it not?

    I'm not personally a big fan of this theory. I mean I get that example. That makes sense. But the theory is so abused. It really is. Some of the common applications thereof that I have run up against have included being labeled a First Worldist for advocating the advancement of Western women...and also being labeled a racist and/or religious bigot for advocating the rights of women in poorer countries in the Middle East and Far East. Try finding a way out of that loop!

    Similarly, I've been told that feminists shouldn't support activism (like women's strikes, for example) because that's elitist; only wealthier women can afford to take off work. (That's bull$#@!, by the way. Last year in Spain, for example, 5.8 million women -- 20% of the country's female population -- participated in a women's strike on International Women's Day, to highlight a recent example of how feminist street actions most certainly can be mass events.) And all of this is before we even get into the thornier topics like gender identity (discrimination against "trans women") and the burkha (religious discrimination) and prostitution and pornography (discrimination against "sex workers", another distinct identity group, apparently), and so on and so on.

    When I highlight all these things, you can see how it might be more advantageous for the women's movement to go back to being a more autonomous movement of our own wherein we can process all these things through the lens of feminist theory instead of having to always check feminist theory for, you know, offensiveness. The whole ecosystem-of-oppressions perspective really has a tendency to reduce the movement, as well as other liberation movements for that matter, to the lowest common denominators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    This might help SJWs understand how they've gone astray.

    Social justice has become a new excuse for prejudice
    Tell me no one else hasn't seen this for years? Part of it is evolution: the fight for equality and against racism has become so deeply ingrained in the Democratic party that it's beneficial for them to keep generating it. Now it's not just a matter of fighting for equality, but fighting for payback and being more equal than others.


    The anger many people feel is frustration against both parties. Both parties seek to ramp up emotions of their base and then, when nothing is done, their bases feel as frustrated as a teenage boy after dating a tease who is then left to limp home with a severe case of blue balls.

    The election of Trump wasn't so much that he was best man for the job or the first choice of his voters, but an example of the frustrations of American voters against a dysfunctional government and party leaders who tease them with lies. The fact Trump has proved himself to be far less than capable and is only supported by Alt-Right extremists just adds to the anger of the public. This was displayed last November and, unless the Republicans can get control of the situation, will be displayed again in 2020.

    The SJW-types are just angry LWers and half the problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    The basic idea of Kimberle Crenshaw's theory of intersectionality is that our society imposes distinct, often artificial, identities upon various groups of people in order to maintain systems of power and that only by acknowledging the existence of those identities can you challenge the corresponding oppressions. She tirelessly recycles the historical example of an unsuccessful lawsuit against General Motors from back in the '80s when a group of black women sued the company for refusing to hire black women. The court decided that since the company hired black men to work on the floor, there was no racism going on, and since they hired white women to work as secretaries, there was no sexism going on either, even though they refused to hire black women at all. Crenshaw concludes therefore that black women constituted a distinct identity group whether as much was acknowledged in the law or not and that society needed to recognize as much in order to realize that there was, in fact, discrimination going on. That makes sense, does it not?

    I'm not personally a big fan of this theory. I mean I get that example. That makes sense. But the theory is so abused. It really is. Some of the common applications thereof that I have run up against have included being labeled a First Worldist for advocating the advancement of Western women...and also being labeled a racist and/or religious bigot for advocating the rights of women in poorer countries in the Middle East and Far East. Try finding a way out of that loop!

    Similarly, I've been told that feminists shouldn't support activism (like women's strikes, for example) because that's elitist; only wealthier women can afford to take off work. (That's bull$#@!, by the way. Last year in Spain, for example, 5.8 million women -- 20% of the country's female population -- participated in a women's strike on International Women's Day, to highlight a recent example of how feminist street actions most certainly can be mass events.) And all of this is before we even get into the thornier topics like gender identity (discrimination against "trans women") and the burkha (religious discrimination) and prostitution and pornography (discrimination against "sex workers", another distinct identity group, apparently), and so on and so on.

    When I highlight all these things, you can see how it might be more advantageous for the women's movement to go back to being a more autonomous movement of our own wherein we can process all these things through the lens of feminist theory instead of having to always check feminist theory for, you know, offensiveness. The whole ecosystem-of-oppressions perspective really has a tendency to reduce the movement, as well as other liberation movements for that matter, to the lowest common denominators.

    Feminist advocating for equality before the law, that is, equal treatment by law, makes sense since this country and liberalism in general is predicated on equality.

    Where it goes wrong is when it's used to silence opposition and attain power over another identity group.
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