Socialism, the history of such

[donttread]

It still is. The bolded are not no skill or low skill- they actively improved themselves and gained the American dream. It is still there. It does however require work and the willingness to move.

It is true that middle class wages have stagnated between 2000-around now; it looks like wages may be increasing again the last couple of years.

But that stagnation, I believe, was caused by high taxes and increased costs of healthcare / insurance. Even then, the US middle class enjoys one of the highest standards of living in human history. The "oppressed" middle class has their high speed internet, cable with extra add-on bundles, too-large flat screen TVs, above base consumer model vehicles, gaming class computer systems, etc.

Let's not cry for them.

If the causation is taxes why aren't the super rich feeling it? Why does there share of the economy keep growing under this taxation?

[Dr. Who]

The meme that automation and AI will destroy jobs AND those jobs won't be replaced by something else is silly.

It will destroy unskilled and semi-skilled jobs. They won't be replaced with more unskilled and semi-skilled jobs. The reason that people are not more educated now is because of the high cost of education. If that doesn't change, how are people supposed to obtain the education to be prepared for these posited replacement jobs? Education as a commodity will cause there to be an unemployable class of people.

[Peter1469]

If the causation is taxes why aren't the super rich feeling it? Why does there share of the economy keep growing under this taxation?

The top 1% made 20.3% of the income in the US and paid 22.9% of the taxes in 2018.

Not sure what your second sentence means, or that it is relevant. The economy is not a static 'pie' where when a rich person gains a dollar, a poor person loses a dollar.

[donttread]

The meme that automation and AI will destroy jobs AND those jobs won't be replaced by something else is silly.

Such as what ? What will replace the cashier jobs for example. also job numbers need to be looked at in the perspective of population size.We already have a suppressed labor market due to immigration.

[Peter1469]

Such as what ? What will replace the cashier jobs for example. also job numbers need to be looked at in the perspective of population size.We already have a suppressed labor market due to immigration.

For much of US history farming was the job for the vast majority of people. Now what is it? 2%? Did everyone else go on the government dole because no new jobs were created? Of course not. Why are people so afraid that automation and AI will be different?

[Chris]

How can UBI be Capitalist? Don't some of those nations in Europe with the major socialism influence , you know the ones with the great SOL's, practice some form of UBI?

Because it's funded by the wealth generated by capitalism. Redistribution, in general, is a capitalist phenomenon.

those nations in Europe with the major socialism influence

Pray tell, what nations are those?

[Chris]

He didn't say liberalism he said liberal. Look it up. Post 97.

Liberal, liberalism, same thing. If you don't know what individualism and egalitarianism are, then let's go with your assertion liberals are for change. OK, tell us what exactly do liberals, from classical to contemporary, want to change?

[Chris]

Well you did answer what your thoughts were. I disagree and believe that modern economies have some of their roots in what worked for 200,000 years. In fact the axe example seems to sound like some of the things we say about communism and a lack of incentive.
In fact there is even a term for H&G communism called "Primitive Communism"
Google liberal definition.

Primitive communism

Primitive communism is a concept originating from Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels who argued that hunter-gatherer societies were traditionally based on egalitarian social relations and common ownership.

They made the same anachronistic mistakes pointed out in the beginning of this thread.

Primitive tribes were hierarchical.

[Chris]

UBI will be the beginning, as the first wave of employment is eliminated.

The purpose of UBI is to relieve people of the stress of not knowing where their next meal is coming from so that they can focus instead on getting a job or starting a business. That is now the success of any such program is measured.

[MisterVeritis]

UBI will be the beginning, as the first wave of employment is eliminated.

When does your imagination say that will happen?