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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Moderns (read Westerners) have been assuming the universality of their ideas and projecting their values on other societies (past and present) for quite a while now. It was once a common theme to portray the Inca, for example, as a prototypical socialist society.
    Began with the likes of Hobbes and Locke projecting their Enlightened views about social contracts on primitive man. Man as an abstraction.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    All this is not to say that a community could not agree to form as a socialist group. We see that from farm coops to high-tech Valve Corporation to Marinaleda, Spain. Small scale like that, sure--though in each case they operate within a market economy.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    What's that got to do with individual self determination versus the 'collective' determining what it thinks you should conform to be?



    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Moderns (read Westerners) have been assuming the universality of their ideas and projecting their values on other societies (past and present) for quite a while now. It was once a common theme to portray the Inca, for example, as a prototypical socialist society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by testsubjectalpha View Post
    What's that got to do with individual self determination versus the 'collective' determining what it thinks you should conform to be?
    What does that even mean?
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    I guess it means you are conflicted and confused by your own thoughts and ideas. Self determination is just that, determined by the self...not by others such as politicians.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    What does that even mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by testsubjectalpha View Post
    I guess it means you are conflicted and confused by your own thoughts and ideas. Self determination is just that, determined by the self...not by others such as politicians.
    Um...OK
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    okay. Is there something you'ld like to say to me?

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    Um...OK

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    Quote Originally Posted by testsubjectalpha View Post
    okay. Is there something you'ld like to say to me?
    Not really. Do you want me to say something to you?
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    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Not really. Do you want me to say something to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by testsubjectalpha View Post
    A thread to discuss the failures and successes of the form of socio-economic organization called Socialism. Most if not virtually all societies throughout human history have experienced this form of socio-economic organization so there is an endless plethora of history to draw upon to understand it's vagaries or virtues.

    I'm guessing that many of your replies will be that socialism is the cause of everything that has ever gone wrong anywhere! And despite it's recurrence at certain points of different societies development that it has never worked even for one person for one day. And Capitalism is the source of all good and light. And that most of them think we are still Capitalistic entirely. LOL
    In reality almost all current systems are some type of hybrid. Then there are other systems like the corporate controlled economics that dominate modern day America.
    I am not a socialist. I just think the type of answers I am describing and overly simplistic to the point of being child like. However, maybe I'm wrong and you'll get a meaningful discussion instead. I haven't looked so to not taint my prediction

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