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    [QUOTE=Captdon;2530731]
    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post

    It's about closing the border form people who don't belong here. It has nothing to do with ROI. It is about who we want and who we don't.We don't want unskilled labor. We have enough of them now.
    I didn't say that.

    I believe it was Ripmeister. I actually believe the wall to be much more cost effective in the long term than the supposed high tech solutions the ignorant unwashed are pushing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    You are full of $#@!....
    Disagreed but thanks for taking so long to type out that post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    A wall is only part of the solution. I agree.
    Of course it is. It however, a critical part of the solution and no solution presented to date will work without a wall. A physical barrier is the ONLY thing that will actually prevent illegal border crossings. Walls have worked for thousands of years and they work today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NapRover View Post
    If an "I'd Turn Back If I Were You" sign would work, I'd support it. Whatever works-go for it. Why don't dem "experts" meet with Trump's "experts" and come up with a solution? Close the doors, don't reveal whose solution it is, just call it a bipartisan solution. Give it 90 days, if it doesn't work, flog them all and put them back in the room again.
    It's not like this is a new problem. It's been going on for decades.

    IMHO, the real problem is that there is too much money being made by certain industries and they are paying off enough contributing enough money to both key Democrats and Republicans that the problem isn't being solved. "The Wall" is just red meat for the clueless and a means to make money off the taxpayers. Sad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    Disagreed but thanks for taking so long to type out that post.
    It was a simple statement of fact.
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    [QUOTE=Cletus;2530924]
    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post

    I didn't say that.

    I believe it was Ripmeister. I actually believe the wall to be much more cost effective in the long term than the supposed high tech solutions the ignorant unwashed are pushing here.
    Mea culpa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bad Bob View Post
    Now you're just proving yourself to be a liar: ...and lame.

    The fact remains building a wall, fence, whatever even from Brownsville, TX to San Diego, CA won't solve the illegal immigration problem. It won't stop the ~40% who overstay their visas, it won't get rid of the 12M illegals already here. The best way to resolve the illegal immigration problem is to take away the incentives of why they come here: jobs and benefits. Why aren't we doing that? Because too many dumbasses prefer a monument to the stupidity of man.



    Walls have limited effectiveness, but drug traffickers and terrorists don't walk through the desert. They come by trucks, ships and airplanes. Beefing up port of entry security is the best way to control that problem just as the Border Patrol says.

    https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/40...ssist-securing
    It certainly helps. It's not a be all end all. It's a part of a system. We need the technology, we need that infrastructure," she added in the interview that aired Thursday.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...?noredirect=on
    We have noted beforethat various agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Administration and Homeland Security have reported — since Trump took office — most drugs that cross the border come through existing ports of entry. The best example of such testimony probably comes from Trump’s former chief of staff John F. Kelly, who testified before Congress while still Homeland Security secretary in 2017.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/08/key-parts-trump-administrations-border-rhetoric-are-wrong-according-trump-administration/?utm_term=.63574011d6d3
    Trump and his team also have linked the need for a wall to the opioid crisis, highlighting drug flow into the country broadly and the import of addictive substances such as heroin and fentanyl specifically.
    But, again, the administration also tells us something important about that influx: It generally happens at legal ports of entry.
    Patton understood that a good defense is a defense in depth. That a wall is merely an obstacle. That the main defenses must be more than that single line of defense. The French didn't understand that point and were invaded because of their stupidity.


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    Bob, please also refrain from stupid analogies.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Actually, I agree a barrier at the border will not completely end our illegal immigration issues. I agree with Bob (Heaven forgive me) on ending the incentives to come here in the first place (It seems that AOC is working on that by turning us into another Venezuela, why come here when Caracas is closer). I have long advocated extremely high fines or jail terms for those hiring illegals even if done so unwittingly.

    However, I would also say a physical barrier like a wall or steel slat fence will go a long way to cut down on those illegals getting here in the first place.

    If we are truly serious about ending the scourge of drug abuse perhaps we should adopt China's policy against its opium addicts at the turn of the last century. Caught using you go into rehab, caught a second time and you are executed. Caught selling and you are executed. It will not completely end drug use but it will certainly become a lot more manageable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    She said she'd support whatever bipartisan agreement is reached and that is beside the point when it comes to what is the best strategy to secure the border.
    So, she's changed her view?

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