Sacked cardinal issues manifesto

[Captdon]

Thanks for the addition to the previous post and for the additional views. I don't agree with any of them and find these all to be petty excuses for sexist attitudes personally (e.g. it's women who file for divorce like 90% of the time, and it isn't usually just because). Or like on birth control, I'm not sure why God would want life brought into the world that the mom wouldn't. But okay.

On your fourth point though, fair enough. Looking back at the article I was referring to, I see that it was actually a group of very conservative clergymen who were calling for the prohibition of adoption, not the Church itself. Although...isn't that the group we're discussing here as the OP: specifically the more conservative factions of the Church?

No Catholic of importance would call for a ban on adoption. I can't see any reason they would. I don't believe any Catholic said that.

I'm so conservative a Catholic I'm still upset by the loss of the Latin Mass. I don't like seeing priests and ministers having lunch together. Try to find some one more conservative than that.

[Captdon]

Other than adoption (and I have never ever heard of that restriction) its not a "written principle" of the Church but its adherence to the Bible that dictates those positions. Why would any religion condone the murder of an unborn child? Here is the Church's position on adoption

http://thecatholicspirit.com/spotlig...rent-children/

No divorce is also Biblical. She believes whatever suits her agenda.

[Mister D]

No Catholic of importance would call for a ban on adoption. I can't see any reason they would. I don't believe any Catholic said that.

I'm so conservative a Catholic I'm still upset by the loss of the Latin Mass. I don't like seeing priests and ministers having lunch together. Try to find some one more conservative than that.

Polly is most liking confusing this with opposition to homosexuals adopting children. Her commentary tends to be a mishmash of half-truths, non-facts and bizarre interpretations of actual facts.

[roadmaster]

VATICAN CITY - A cardinal who was sacked from a senior Vatican post by Pope Francis has written his own "Manifesto of Faith," in the latest attack on the pontiff's authority by a leading member of the Church's conservative wing. ...

conservatives balked this week when Francis made the first trip by a pope to the Arabian peninsula and signed a "Document on Human Fraternity" with a Muslim faith leader.
Ultra-conservative Catholics are opposed to dialogue with Islam, with some saying its ultimate goal is to destroy the West. ...


Mueller said he wrote it "in the face of growing confusion about the doctrine of the faith".
He said some Church leaders "have abandoned the people entrusted to them, unsettling them and severely damaging their faith". He warned against "the fraud of (the) anti-Christ".
Mueller, who did not mention the pope, is one of a handful of conservative cardinals who have open accused Francis of sowing confusion.
They say he is weakening Catholic rules on moral issues such as homosexuality and divorce while focusing excessively on social problems such as climate change and economic inequality. ...



https://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/02...n-pope-francis

Their Pope signed a paper declaring all religions have the same god.

[Captdon]

Their Pope signed a paper declaring all religions have the same god.

He did no such thing. he said the the God of Abraham is the same God as Jews, Christian and Muslims worship. That the extent of what he said. It is also true. What happens beyond that is not the same.

[roadmaster]

He did no such thing. he said the the God of Abraham is the same God as Jews, Christian and Muslims worship. That the extent of what he said. It is also true. What happens beyond that is not the same.

The God of Abraham is Christ Jesus.

[roadmaster]

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. I guess you missed that one too.


For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.²⁸ There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
²⁹ And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.