What Is Socialism?

[Chris]

The New argument is.....if Euros aren't Socialist Countries. Then the Democrats can't be. Even after AOC and her Green New Deal.

We could theirs a soft-socialism. If socialism is the workers locally decide how to distribute the fruits of production, their approach is to centralize it which is something else.

[Cthulhu]

I disagree, coercion is an integral part of socialism/communism.

The same is true of a republic.

I mean, do you voluntarily pay speeding tickets?

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[countryboy]

The same is true of a republic.

I mean, do you voluntarily pay speeding tickets?

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You seem to be comparing law and order with socialism/communism. Seems a little appley/orangey to moi.

[Chris]

The same is true of a republic.

I mean, do you voluntarily pay speeding tickets?

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Exactly, coercion is integral to the modern state. The difference between socialism and capitalism here is under capitalism you have the money to pay the speeding ticket, under socialism you have to go to the Gulag.

[Cthulhu]

You seem to be comparing law and order with socialism/communism. Seems a little appley/orangey to moi.

Government is government. Try to not obey it and you will see just how coercive it really is.

Try not paying a speeding ticket. And then resist the penalties.

Exactly, coercion is integral to the modern state. The difference between socialism and capitalism here is under capitalism you have the money to pay the speeding ticket, under socialism you have to go to the Gulag.

Pretty much. Socialism is just everybody but the ruling caste being broke, whereas capitalism is a measure of individual work ethic coupled with genius and some entropy mixed in.

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[Newpublius]

I consider myself to be a socialist.

Then you are evil.

[Chris]

Government is government. Try to not obey it and you will see just how coercive it really is.

Try not paying a speeding ticket. And then resist the penalties.Pretty much. Socialism is just everybody but the ruling caste being broke, whereas capitalism is a measure of individual work ethic coupled with genius and some entropy mixed in.

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True, under both systems there is a coercive ruling class with power and wealth but only under capitalism is the wealth spread out more. IOW, ironically, capitalism delivers what socialism promises.

[Cotton1]

Look at the Brits rotten teeth. Proof socialism doesnt work

[Sergeant Gleed]

In capitalism the workers are free to leave the plantation.

Compare that to hiw the Rodents treat Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain and Ben Carson.

[Sergeant Gleed]

True, under both systems there is a coercive ruling class with power and wealth but only under capitalism is the wealth spread out more. IOW, ironically, capitalism delivers what socialism promises.

The existence of a moneyed elite is a fact of human nature THAT CANNOT BE CHANGED.

Erase all the books and give everyone a hundred thousand dollars and an equal plot if land and with a week there would be millionaires and paupers, land barons and renting peasants.

Under capitalism, and particlarly under the American system of government, the boundary between rich and poor is fuzzier than in any socialist scam government.