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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The New argument is.....if Euros aren't Socialist Countries. Then the Democrats can't be. Even after AOC and her Green New Deal.
    We could theirs a soft-socialism. If socialism is the workers locally decide how to distribute the fruits of production, their approach is to centralize it which is something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I disagree, coercion is an integral part of socialism/communism.
    The same is true of a republic.

    I mean, do you voluntarily pay speeding tickets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    The same is true of a republic.

    I mean, do you voluntarily pay speeding tickets?

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    You seem to be comparing law and order with socialism/communism. Seems a little appley/orangey to moi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    The same is true of a republic.

    I mean, do you voluntarily pay speeding tickets?

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    Exactly, coercion is integral to the modern state. The difference between socialism and capitalism here is under capitalism you have the money to pay the speeding ticket, under socialism you have to go to the Gulag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    You seem to be comparing law and order with socialism/communism. Seems a little appley/orangey to moi.
    Government is government. Try to not obey it and you will see just how coercive it really is.

    Try not paying a speeding ticket. And then resist the penalties.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Exactly, coercion is integral to the modern state. The difference between socialism and capitalism here is under capitalism you have the money to pay the speeding ticket, under socialism you have to go to the Gulag.
    Pretty much. Socialism is just everybody but the ruling caste being broke, whereas capitalism is a measure of individual work ethic coupled with genius and some entropy mixed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I consider myself to be a socialist.
    Then you are evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    Government is government. Try to not obey it and you will see just how coercive it really is.

    Try not paying a speeding ticket. And then resist the penalties.Pretty much. Socialism is just everybody but the ruling caste being broke, whereas capitalism is a measure of individual work ethic coupled with genius and some entropy mixed in.

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    True, under both systems there is a coercive ruling class with power and wealth but only under capitalism is the wealth spread out more. IOW, ironically, capitalism delivers what socialism promises.
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    Look at the Brits rotten teeth. Proof socialism doesnt work
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