User Tag List

+ Reply to Thread
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 11 to 20 of 36

Thread: Marco Rubio Venezuela soldiers commiting crime against humanity by blocking aid

  1. #11
    Points: 9,194, Level: 22
    Level completed: 93%, Points required for next Level: 56
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    RadioGod's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    925
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    1,630
    Points
    9,194
    Level
    22
    Thanks Given
    1,020
    Thanked 915x in 631 Posts
    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    It does send crude oil to the refineries which turn that crude oil into diesel fuel and gasoline. So yes, it does put gasoline in our cars.
    Fracking is mostly used for natural gas. Methane. It is used on some oil deposits to loosen them and make oil extractable, but it is used mostly for gas.
    I live with a profound happiness that can only be achieved by being hated by Mr.Veritis

  2. #12
    Points: 432,059, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 100.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsVeteranOverdriveSocial
    Awards:
    Frequent Poster
    Tahuyaman's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    307958
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Bremerton, Washington
    Posts
    183,410
    Points
    432,059
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    20,178
    Thanked 76,973x in 55,600 Posts
    Mentioned
    700 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    Fracking is mostly used for natural gas. Methane. It is used on some oil deposits to loosen them and make oil extractable, but it is used mostly for gas.

    You need to become informed.

  3. #13
    Points: 9,194, Level: 22
    Level completed: 93%, Points required for next Level: 56
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    RadioGod's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    925
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    1,630
    Points
    9,194
    Level
    22
    Thanks Given
    1,020
    Thanked 915x in 631 Posts
    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    To all those who would lay a claim that what we are seeing in Venezuela is just the inevitable collapse of socialism, I have a counter argument for your consideration.
    Imagine you are living in your home. You have your own ideas and practices about caring and providing for your family. You have an established method for providing food, heat, lights, medical care, and anything you and your family might need to be comfortable, healthy, and happy.
    Then one day, some of your neighbors decide they want to control your home. They want you to paint it a certain way, do your lawn a certain way, raise your family in a certain way. And they want to tell you what kind of a job you can and cannot have. What kind of religion you need to have. What kind of schools are acceptable. This is similar to an HOA, but far more invasive.
    So, naturally, you tell them all to go to hell.
    Then, they start isolating you. They block off your road access. When you try to leave your home to go to work, or the store, they confront you with threats and guns. They even threaten some neighbors you were friendly with, saying if they help you, it will be really bad for them. They block off your mail, so you can't even shop online for things you and your family need.
    After a short time of being isolated like this, you and your family are starting to go hungry. Bills are going unpaid and debt is piling up. Maybe even 1 or 2 neighbors try to help you in secret, but there is only so much they can do without confronting the mean neighbors directly.
    Then, to top it off, after going without for so long, even your own kids start begging you to just do what the neighbors tell you, anything to just make this mess end. They start talking about kicking you out and putting the drunk Uncle in charge of your household.
    Is this something that can accurately be called a failure of your household policies? Did you go into extreme debt and poverty because of your management insufficiencies? No. Everything you did for your family and household was perfectly fine until some bad neighbors got together and orchestrated your downfall on purpose.
    Calling Venezuela an example of a failed socialist state is a lie. The only thing they did wrong was not let US mining and oil interests corrupt and ruin their country. For that, they were sanctioned, isolated, and cut off from the vast majority of the world's financial and trade markets. And now the drunk Uncle is being propped up as a presidential surrogate.
    If we were to start openly involving ourselves, our wealth, our resources, our labor, and the lives of our military service members, towards the goal of global regime changes, then I would propose that we make a list of the worst human rights offenders in the world, then start with number 1. That would be Saudi Arabia. Not Venezuela, which would probably rank around #50. And the USA would be cutting it close with Israel for the #2 spot.
    I live with a profound happiness that can only be achieved by being hated by Mr.Veritis

  4. #14
    Original Ranter
    Points: 859,042, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 90.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    496569
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    241,693
    Points
    859,042
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,218
    Thanked 147,579x in 94,412 Posts
    Mentioned
    2552 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Venezuela's oil industry fell apart when it nationalized foreign oil companies in the country and chased the talent away.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  5. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (02-21-2019),Tahuyaman (02-21-2019)

  6. #15
    Points: 9,194, Level: 22
    Level completed: 93%, Points required for next Level: 56
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    RadioGod's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    925
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    1,630
    Points
    9,194
    Level
    22
    Thanks Given
    1,020
    Thanked 915x in 631 Posts
    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Venezuela's oil industry fell apart when it nationalized foreign oil companies in the country and chased the talent away.
    The people of Venezuela have every expectation to own the rights to their own resources. Just as we do ours. Nationalization of their oil wasn't the problem. The problem was that they took back their resources, out of the hands of powerful corporations. Those corporations also establish our foreign policies. They are interwoven in our government at every level. Pissing them off is, in fact, pissing off the US government.
    If it were me, I would have started thinking about the repercussions from day one. How will our people eat, work, get resources, and sell things? With obvious sanctions in the future, do we transition our economy away from relying on foreign trade, and just work on developing our economy internally for the things we need to prosper?
    The only real mistake that the government of Venezuela made is that they just plowed ahead with international oil trade, even though they knew that would be cut off with sanctions. Oh, and repaying their national debt should have been a priority, since all refinancing would be halted too under the sanctions.
    I live with a profound happiness that can only be achieved by being hated by Mr.Veritis

  7. #16
    Original Ranter
    Points: 859,042, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 90.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    496569
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    241,693
    Points
    859,042
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,218
    Thanked 147,579x in 94,412 Posts
    Mentioned
    2552 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    The people of Venezuela have every expectation to own the rights to their own resources. Just as we do ours. Nationalization of their oil wasn't the problem. The problem was that they took back their resources, out of the hands of powerful corporations. Those corporations also establish our foreign policies. They are interwoven in our government at every level. Pissing them off is, in fact, pissing off the US government.
    If it were me, I would have started thinking about the repercussions from day one. How will our people eat, work, get resources, and sell things? With obvious sanctions in the future, do we transition our economy away from relying on foreign trade, and just work on developing our economy internally for the things we need to prosper?
    The only real mistake that the government of Venezuela made is that they just plowed ahead with international oil trade, even though they knew that would be cut off with sanctions. Oh, and repaying their national debt should have been a priority, since all refinancing would be halted too under the sanctions.
    Incorrect. When the foreign oil companies fled, the oil infrastructure began to fail for lack of maintenance and upgrades.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  8. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (02-21-2019),Tahuyaman (02-21-2019)

  9. #17
    Points: 172,917, Level: 98
    Level completed: 82%, Points required for next Level: 733
    Overall activity: 47.0%
    Achievements:
    50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    donttread's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    88549
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    51,904
    Points
    172,917
    Level
    98
    Thanks Given
    18,289
    Thanked 20,517x in 14,777 Posts
    Mentioned
    318 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    To all those who would lay a claim that what we are seeing in Venezuela is just the inevitable collapse of socialism, I have a counter argument for your consideration.
    Imagine you are living in your home. You have your own ideas and practices about caring and providing for your family. You have an established method for providing food, heat, lights, medical care, and anything you and your family might need to be comfortable, healthy, and happy.
    Then one day, some of your neighbors decide they want to control your home. They want you to paint it a certain way, do your lawn a certain way, raise your family in a certain way. And they want to tell you what kind of a job you can and cannot have. What kind of religion you need to have. What kind of schools are acceptable. This is similar to an HOA, but far more invasive.
    So, naturally, you tell them all to go to hell.
    Then, they start isolating you. They block off your road access. When you try to leave your home to go to work, or the store, they confront you with threats and guns. They even threaten some neighbors you were friendly with, saying if they help you, it will be really bad for them. They block off your mail, so you can't even shop online for things you and your family need.
    After a short time of being isolated like this, you and your family are starting to go hungry. Bills are going unpaid and debt is piling up. Maybe even 1 or 2 neighbors try to help you in secret, but there is only so much they can do without confronting the mean neighbors directly.
    Then, to top it off, after going without for so long, even your own kids start begging you to just do what the neighbors tell you, anything to just make this mess end. They start talking about kicking you out and putting the drunk Uncle in charge of your household.
    Is this something that can accurately be called a failure of your household policies? Did you go into extreme debt and poverty because of your management insufficiencies? No. Everything you did for your family and household was perfectly fine until some bad neighbors got together and orchestrated your downfall on purpose.
    Calling Venezuela an example of a failed socialist state is a lie. The only thing they did wrong was not let US mining and oil interests corrupt and ruin their country. For that, they were sanctioned, isolated, and cut off from the vast majority of the world's financial and trade markets. And now the drunk Uncle is being propped up as a presidential surrogate.
    If we were to start openly involving ourselves, our wealth, our resources, our labor, and the lives of our military service members, towards the goal of global regime changes, then I would propose that we make a list of the worst human rights offenders in the world, then start with number 1. That would be Saudi Arabia. Not Venezuela, which would probably rank around #50. And the USA would be cutting it close with Israel for the #2 spot.
    1) One of the things I laugh at is people who remember the "cold war": a period in time where Russia's actions or fear of their actions dictated so much of what we did ( from nuclear proliferation, to having kids dive under wooden desk in air raid drills, to whom we elected ) then claiming that socialism can not work over time economically. But the nation we feared for 40 years was socialist. LOL

    2) I am a capitalist. Real price competition driven capitalism which is not what the megacorps do today and pass off as capitalism. However, believing in capitalism does not give me the strange desire to call all other systems complete failures all the time.

    3) Almost all countries are managed by hybrid systems. We are no exception. And one of the pieces of the hybrid is whatever you call megacorps who buy influence and manipulate markets rather than compete within them .

    4) In short, terms meant to describe economic systems have been turned into weapons in the divisive war against common sense , compromise and the Constitution.

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to donttread For This Useful Post:

    RadioGod (02-21-2019)

  11. #18
    Points: 9,194, Level: 22
    Level completed: 93%, Points required for next Level: 56
    Overall activity: 0.1%
    Achievements:
    Social5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    RadioGod's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    925
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Posts
    1,630
    Points
    9,194
    Level
    22
    Thanks Given
    1,020
    Thanked 915x in 631 Posts
    Mentioned
    25 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Incorrect. When the foreign oil companies fled, the oil infrastructure began to fail for lack of maintenance and upgrades.
    Because They couldn't order parts? Because of sanctions?
    I live with a profound happiness that can only be achieved by being hated by Mr.Veritis

  12. #19
    Original Ranter
    Points: 859,042, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 90.0%
    Achievements:
    SocialCreated Album picturesOverdrive50000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Peter1469's Avatar Advisor
    Karma
    496569
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    NOVA
    Posts
    241,693
    Points
    859,042
    Level
    100
    Thanks Given
    153,218
    Thanked 147,579x in 94,412 Posts
    Mentioned
    2552 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    Because They couldn't order parts? Because of sanctions?
    Because they lacked the skills. If they knew what they were doing they could have maintained and improved the rigs.
    ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


  13. The Following User Says Thank You to Peter1469 For This Useful Post:

    Captdon (02-21-2019)

  14. #20
    Points: 84,523, Level: 70
    Level completed: 87%, Points required for next Level: 327
    Overall activity: 12.0%
    Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class50000 Experience PointsSocialVeteran
    Captdon's Avatar Senior Member
    Karma
    12826
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Charleston South Carolina
    Posts
    38,294
    Points
    84,523
    Level
    70
    Thanks Given
    67,690
    Thanked 12,837x in 10,134 Posts
    Mentioned
    161 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by RadioGod View Post
    Fracking does not put gas in our cars. And the reason we want control of their oil is simply because corporations want it. Since the US military is nothing more than hired guns for corporate goals, and their wants become our official government policies, we will make it happen for them. This is our foreign policy in a nutshell.
    Also, it still is not clear about oil being renewable. I don't think it is easily renewable.
    And energy not being strategic? LOL. That statement takes the cake.
    Let me try to clarify our nations policy briefly. We started producing more natural gas with expanded subsidized fracking. We want to export it to Europe. Europe already has pipelines coming out of Russia and the Middle East. Since those pipelines are close to Europe, and we have to use ocean tankers, our gas is more expensive, and less desirable to the EU countries.
    In this situation, there are only a few things that can be done to control Russian and Middle Eastern gas and oil.
    1.) We can make ours cheaper. Not going to happen, since the objective is to sell it for everything we can get for it.
    2.) If we cut, or at least control the flow of gas and oil in their pipelines, we can manipulate pricing so that our own oil and gas is competitive. This is where we have seen strategic spots go into chaos lately, like Syria and the Ukraine. Even Turkey, our longtime friend and ally, is on the table here.
    3.) Stop other countries from producing oil and gas altogether, and if they do produce it, we get to sell it. We can put lots of pressure on their countries through sanctions, supporting insider rebellions, propaganda networks and disinformation campaigns, assassinations, homegrown terrorism, and corruption and bribery. The effect of this type of campaign is to totally trash a country's economy and standard of living to the point that the people themselves are begging for change in the streets. Rest assured, whatever government Venezuela had, socialist or not, it could not have withstood our underhanded efforts for long.
    The last point to keep in mind here is when I say "we", what I really mean is our biggest corporations telling our government what our foreign policies should be. Our military has long ago stopped being a force for right in the world, and are nothing more than corporate mercenaries now.
    I bet it took two trips to pick this much garbage up.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
    Pick your enemies carefully.






  15. The Following User Says Thank You to Captdon For This Useful Post:

    MisterVeritis (02-22-2019)

+ Reply to Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts