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    Helping the poor v. reducing inequality

    Helping the poor v. reducing inequality

    Today most people who discuss income inequality focus on punishing the rich rather than helping the poor. As if lowering everyone's bottom line somehow makes life more bearable for the poor. How about ditching the class envy and focus on helping the poor instead?

    There is so much talk these days about the importance of reducing income or wealth inequality. But to me, reducing such inequality is at best something of secondary importance. The primary value is helping the poor.Unfortunately, many people do not even perceive a difference between these values. I regularly see people asked about helping the poor and they respond by talking about income inequality. So it might be useful to review some old truths. While I don’t regard the points in this post as terribly original, sometimes it makes sense to repeat old truths, especially when these truths are ignored by so many.


    Helping the poor is an important value. People who have low income often do not have access to much of what is valuable in life. Income inequality is far less important. To me, the question is how much income a person has rather than the degree of inequality of the distribution.


    To see this point, imagine we have two distributions. In distribution 1, the poor have more money than they do in distribution 2. But distribution 1 is less equal because the middle class and the rich have significantly more money in distribution 1 than in 2. It seems clear to me that distribution 1 is superior from the perspective of the poor (as well as the other income groups).


    Interestingly, favoring distribution 1 is in accord with Rawls’s difference principle. Since the worst off are better off under distribution 1, one should favor it. The harder questions are whether one should favor a distribution under which the poor are slightly worse off, but that leaves the middle class and the rich much better off. The answers here are not clear, although the value of helping the poor would favor the former distribution.


    What are the arguments for reducing inequality? The two most important are the dislike of inequality and equal political power. Under the first, people dislike that others have more money than they do and so a consequentialist (like me) might favor less inequality. But I don’t believe that people in the US (at least) display that kind of dislike or envy. People might resent their colleague who has a bigger office or a neighbor who has a nicer house down the street. But they don’t tend to dislike the Bill Gateses of the world. In fact, they tend to have favorable opinions of the superrich as celebrities.


    Another argument is that income inequality leads to inequality in political power. This is a bigger problem, since it potentially involves coercing poorer people to enrich the more powerful. But while each individual rich person might have more influence than each individual poor person, it is not clear that they have undue power. Rich people, especially the superrich, pay far more in taxes than the poor. And as John McGinnis notes, the superrich disagree about ideology. It may be that corporations and labor unions have undue influence, but measures to address income inequality won’t necessarily help with that.


    Significantly, actions to address inequality often lead to lower welfare—for both the rich and for the poor. Most actions to address inequality—such as high tax rates—serve to create incentives that reduce wealth. This aspect of government policy should be taken into account in the examples above about distribution—so that more equal distributions might provide fewer resources to the poor. But people often assume that actions to address inequality will not harm the poor, even though they do. For example, while there is outrage about the super profits that some innovators make, Nobel Laureate William Nordhaus showed that innovators secure less than 3 percent of the gains that their innovations produce for the public. Discouraging such innovation would not be desirable. Thus, it is the combination of economic ignorance and a strong desire to reduce income inequality that is deadly—to the poor and to society.
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    It doesn't satisfy them as much?
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    Amendment Ten

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

    If some state wants to level its citizens let it. Let the costs be borne by that state's citizens.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    It doesn't satisfy them as much?
    Actually helping the poor would mean abandoning all the moralizing. It might also force some to reconsider whether handouts help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Actually helping the poor would mean abandoning all the moralizing. It might also force some to reconsider whether handouts help.
    Amendment Ten

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

    Let them do it at the State level. The Federal government has no Constitutional authority to take the wealth of one citizen for the benefit of another citizen.
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    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Amendment TenThe powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

    Let them do it at the State level. The Federal government has no Constitutional authority to take the wealth of one citizen for the benefit of another citizen.

    Those principles do not seem to apply to Congress.
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    In my opinion, no lasting help is ever successful if people are harmed in the giving of that help. For example, look at the PPACA. It's no longer mandatory to buy into the program but when it was, people in the middle income bracket often didn't have the funds to buy policies, yet they were penalized and their much-needed money used to fund healthcare for those of lower incomes.

    When we punish the rich by taking large sums of their money to give to the poor, we alienate those wealthy folks, many of whom find ways to move their money out of the United States.

    We can't legislate morality. If we help others that's all we need do. When we step into the punishment business -- charity no longer has any meaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Helping the poor v. reducing inequality

    Today most people who discuss income inequality focus on punishing the rich rather than helping the poor. As if lowering everyone's bottom line somehow makes life more bearable for the poor. How about ditching the class envy and focus on helping the poor instead?

    There does seem to be a mind-set out there which thinks the way to achieve success, equality or lift people up is to spread misery equally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Those principles do not seem to apply to Congress.
    In your opinion, the Constitution does not apply to Congress?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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