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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    In 2015 the Organic Consumers Association (OCA) offered to test anyone who wanted their urine tested for glyphosate, which is the active ingredient in Roundup. Out of the first 131 people to be tested, 93 percent tested positive for this chemical. The International Agency for Research, which is the cancer agency of the World Health Organization, classifies glyphosate as a "probable human carcinogen." In other words, it may be a risk, just like smoking is a risk. If someone has a weak immune system, or a (genetic?) predisposition for cancer they would likely be at greater risk. Not everyone who smokes gets lung disease or cardiovascular disease, but that's not the way science determines risk. They compare smokers with non-smokers. Perhaps more testing will be done with glyphosate. Glyphosate is currently under review and may be banned at some future time. It was banned in El Salvador after thousands of agricultural workers died from chronic kidney disease. They call glyphosate an endocrine-disruption agent.

    At least when it comes to cigarettes, we can choose not to smoke and not to take the risk. But when it comes to glyphosate, what choice do we have?
    I tend to doubt this. Loose associations are about the extent of our knowledge. How many of the people who get cancer also eat a western diet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    Is Glyphosate a food?
    As far as the stomach is concerned it is. Are you familiar with how the stomach works?
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    For those who are greatly concerned:

    ..." in May 2016, a group of pesticide residue experts at WHO and the United Nations also concluded that glyphosate is “unlikely to pose a carcinogenic risk to humans” through their diets. These researchers noted that there’s conflicting evidence on whether glyphosate leads to non-Hodgkin lymphoma, a cancer of the lymph nodes, in workers who handled the herbicide. They also pointed out that the “overall weight of evidence indicates” glyphosate isn’t genotoxic in mammals at doses and routes “relevant to human dietary exposure.”


    https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/glyphosate-cause-cancer/

    You should be more concerned about eating pizza and other fast foods. Those things are killing you.
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    https://thyroidnation.com/glyphosate...ng-autoimmune/

    Glyphosate is also toxic to our gut microbiome: Glyphosate is toxic to many of our beneficial gut microbes. It may preferentially kill off species, like lactobacillus while leaving potential pathogens, like clostridia, to run wild. Glyphosate also chelates essential minerals, such as manganese, iron, cobalt, molybdenum, and copper so that the gut microbes do not have access to them. This leads to chronic inflammatory states in the gut as well as increased intestinal permeability, a mechanism at the core of many chronic illnesses, including inflammatory bowel disease, depression, and autoimmunity.
    Being that all of the above happens in the gut, below the stomach, it must mean that stomach acid is not breaking it down and making it harmless.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    https://thyroidnation.com/glyphosate...ng-autoimmune/
    Being that all of the above happens in the gut, below the stomach, it must mean that stomach acid is not breaking it down and making it harmless.
    I read your article. I say a great deal of conjecture but no evidence. There are many people who believe because two things are found together one must cause the other. There is a simple association.

    Show me the double-blind studies. I don't believe you can.

    It is one thing to put things together in a petri dish and another to determine how something works in the body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I read your article. I say a great deal of conjecture but no evidence. There are many people who believe because two things are found together one must cause the other. There is a simple association.
    Show me the double-blind studies. I don't believe you can.
    It is one thing to put things together in a petri dish and another to determine how something works in the body.
    You read the article? Did you read the statement within my link that stated the following:
    According to the World Health Organization, Glyphosate is now declared a "probable carcinogen" which means it may cause cancer.
    The World Health Organization wouldn't make a statement like that without a valid study to back it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson View Post
    So I have a thought. When we eat our fruit and vegetables we are eating this roundup. It is sprayed on our crops, and not only that they are modifying the stuff to have the weed killer inside of it. This way they don't have to spray the fields. So either way they do it, we are ingesting this horrible cancer causing, stuff.
    Now that this came out about it possibly killing gut bacteria, that has me thinking. If we do not have the proper gut bacteria, we cannot make vitamin D in our bodies, or uptake nutrients properly. Could this be part of the reason for the vitamin D defficiency epidemic, or part of the cause of us not getting propper nutrients? This is a good question, and very plausable.
    Sure, just look around at all the gut ailments. Old timers didn't have these problems.

    But it is not only Roundup. Much of our water supply is unhealthy. If you get your water from a big river, good chance you are drinking recycled human waste. The city downstream dumps their human waste and chemicals into the river and your town draws that water for its drinking supply. You dump your human waste in the river and the next town upstream drinks it.

    Here are the test photos showing what is in your tap water from around the USA. It also shows test results for bottled water and water filters.

    https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/6035/

    Toilet to Tap is causing people to consume all the meds that other people excrete in the water supply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    You read the article? Did you read the statement within my link that stated the following:

    The World Health Organization wouldn't make a statement like that without a valid study to back it up.
    Yes. It was a political statement, not a scientific one.

    Link to the body of studies. I am sure there must be thousands of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slackercruster View Post
    Sure, just look around at all the gut ailments. Old timers didn't have these problems.

    But it is not only Roundup. Much of our water supply is unhealthy. If you get your water from a big river, good chance you are drinking recycled human waste. The city downstream dumps their human waste and chemicals into the river and your town draws that water for its drinking supply. You dump your human waste in the river and the next town upstream drinks it.

    Here are the test photos showing what is in your tap water from around the USA. It also shows test results for bottled water and water filters.

    https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/6035/

    Toilet to Tap is causing people to consume all the meds that other people excrete in the water supply.
    The opposite appears to be true. We are bringing up our children in environments that are too sterile. Kids need to play in the dirt, eat food that has fallen on the floor and in general find ways to remain exposed to a wide variety of bacteria, viruses, phages and the like.


    Most of our serious ailments are a direct result of our western diet high in sugars, processed meats and other processed foods plus unhealthy fats. Round-up is not killing you. French fries are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The opposite appears to be true. We are bringing up our children in environments that are too sterile. Kids need to play in the dirt, eat food that has fallen on the floor and in general find ways to remain exposed to a wide variety of bacteria, viruses, phages and the like.


    Most of our serious ailments are a direct result of our western diet high in sugars, processed meats and other processed foods plus unhealthy fats. Round-up is not killing you. French fries are.
    Notwithstanding the fact that bad diet will certainly decrease your lifespan, food contains a great many chemicals that we were never intended to consume. Yes, exposure to natural bacteria and viruses strengthens the immune system, however, exposure to super bacteria and super viruses that are being trained to overcome armies of antibiotics and anti-virals is creating superbugs that are far more lethal than their recent ancestors.

    Glyphosate is not a naturally occurring compound, despite its organic origins. Even many naturally occurring organic compounds are toxic. Plants and some animals produce them to prevent themselves from being eaten by predators. The fact that those toxins are intended to kill insects or make animal predators sick, doesn't make them inconsequential to humans. Arsenic is a chemical compound that is actually present in some plants. For example apple seeds. Even miniscule quantities consumed over a long period of time will accumulate in your body and may eventually kill you indirectly, since in humans it promotes the development of cancer. Your stomach acid does not destroy these chemicals. They are absorbed and stored in your fat cells, which apart from their role as a store of energy, are also regulators of metabolism and an important player in immune function. If they become contaminated with toxic chemicals one of the first effects is susceptibility to disease.
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