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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    In Nevada, women for sex is voluntary and the pay , from what I hear, is pretty good.......... just saying
    If we legalize it, then only the ones who want to work for sex, and run as an legit business, would take care of the pimps as criminals. State oversight would kick in and proper medical treatment would be mandatory.
    Sex for money is the world's oldest profession and you not going to stop it
    There’s paying a person for consensual sex, and paying someone to have sex with slaves they imported in. One is consensual, one is not. Kraft participated in the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    Did Kraft know ?? Or are the LEO's mistaken ?? *Kraft is not accused of or charged with being involved in human trafficking.*
    It’s not particularly relevant, either way he broke the law.
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    Don't all liberals have a little spare change burning a hole in their pockets hmmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Hold on there @IMPress Polly, you switched articles on me - in fairness to me. The first was the Miami Herald article which did not have what you stated and then you switched to a CNBC article. Please acknowledge same.
    *siiiiiiighs*'

    The information was contained in one of the articles in the OP, but the one I linked to had clearer wording.

    Besides which, I don't owe you research on this. You could've just Googled the info yourself, you know? You're not a victim here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    There’s paying a person for consensual sex, and paying someone to have sex with slaves they imported in. One is consensual, one is not. Kraft participated in the latter.
    Well yes and no. On a certain level, all prostitution is non-consensual in that first of all you basically are always paying someone other than the prostitute primarily if not exclusively and secondly in that I practically guarantee you it's not someone you wouldn't have sex with for free (i.e. you don't actually want to have sex with this person). It all feels more or less the same in my experience, to which end I had difficulty mentally separating consensual sex from rape in my mind when I was in prostitution. It all sort of blurred together in my mind, as it didn't occur to me that my feelings on the subject particularly mattered. That's what it does to you even under the best of circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    There’s paying a person for consensual sex, and paying someone to have sex with slaves they imported in. One is consensual, one is not. Kraft participated in the latter.
    Well yes and no. On a certain level, all prostitution is non-consensual in that first of all the buyer is basically always paying someone other than the prostitute primarily if not exclusively and secondly in that I practically guarantee you it's not someone you wouldn't have sex with for free (i.e. you don't actually want to have sex with this person). It all feels more or less the same in my experience, to which end I had difficulty mentally separating consensual sex from rape in my mind when I was in prostitution. It all sort of blurred together in my mind, as it didn't occur to me that my feelings on the subject particularly mattered. That's what it does to you even under the best of circumstances. I mean when the vast majority of your sexual experience is either rape or selling your body to someone else, I think it becomes natural to develop that kind of mindset. It can make you start to hate the whole idea of sex even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Arrow View Post
    There’s paying a person for consensual sex, and paying someone to have sex with slaves they imported in. One is consensual, one is not. Kraft participated in the latter.
    Yup and I hope they follow it to the source of the slave traders
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Umm...the women were being held captive, as in not allowed to leave. Are you suggesting that that's voluntary "labor"?
    Correct and the last thing I would do is defend this man.

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    How many times do we have to hear about these women brought to areas, promised great lifestyles only to be slaved. The last detectives in Canada talked about these women having to sit on towels because of bleeding from their rectums. This is not a game and I don't care who you are or who you vote for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    Recently, Robert Kraft, the 77-year-old owner of the New England Patriots (among other properties), who has a net worth of some $3 billion, was charged with two counts of soliciting prostitution (i.e. buying sex) after a raid of a Florida "massage parlor" where imported women were being held captive. He was reportedly caught up in a sweeping police sting operation aimed at cracking down on sex trafficking in the area, having been caught on video receiving "paid acts". The owner and staff were also arrested and more than 100 other patrons were charged as well.

    For buying impoverished sex slaves (i.e. basically committing rape), Kraft faces such serious penalties as 100 days of community service and being required to attend a class explaining the harms of prostitution because that's how seriously we take sex trafficking in this country. However, it's surprising that he, as a customer, was charged with anything at all. As Paul Callan, a legal analyst for CNN, surmised: "Usually the prostitute gets arrested or the person who's running the brothel. So this is an unusual approach, to round up the 'johns' [men who buy prostitutes]. You see it happening periodically in jurisdictions where there's a major prostitution problem and he just got caught in the net." In fact, until the mid-1960s, it was generally illegal to arrest either johns, pimps, or brothel owners at all in the United States, to which end prostitution was far more common before that.

    Arresting prostituted women is a common policy in the U.S. that serves to deter survivors from reporting their exploitation. In contrast, the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women calls upon lawmakers worldwide to focus on arresting johns and owners and let prostituted women report without penalty, and also for exploiters to face real legal punishments, such as years in prison, for acts that are basically rape.

    President Trump, reportedly a personal friend of Kraft's, commented that "He's proclaimed his innocence, totally. But I’m surprised to see it.”, whatever that means. Police say that Kraft was caught on video.
    Sex traffickers should be shot in the head. But as for the John, it ain't rape unless he knows. And the trafficked are "taught" not to let the "John" know. He should however face whatever penalty I would face if I was so inclined to pick up a street hooker, which I'm not. I'm waiting to win lotto and go park avenue.

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