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Try bringing into the discussion the number of people in the US who do without health care period. You don't have waiting lists at the for profit hospitals because they do not accept people who cannot afford the service. Check out the waiting lists at the State hospitals. They would make the Canadian waiting lists look like instant service.Originally Posted by zelmo1234
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There's no point in providing a service that takes a decade to learn how to perform if there isn't a profit incentive to motivate someone to learn how to do it. Why is it so hard for libs to understand this elemenatry principle?
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The majority of tax payers make $50,000 and under and those that are lucky enough to have employer insurance now have high deductibles and out of pocket expense. They have very little disposable income to be able to afford getting healthcare. The people that don't have employer insurance must come up with the size of a car payment to pay for their premiums plus deductibles and out of pockets costs. This also will make it hard for them to afford to get healthcare. If we are actually dealing with reality, these people could not afford health insurance because the cost of living leaves nothing left in disposable income.
The low income people that even though they will get help from our government they are still responsible for deductibles and out of pocket expenses which translates to these people will not be able to afford getting healthcare. Most people do not go to the doctors for preventable services if they are not sick.
So while our government is proud that they made healthcare available to so many people, in reality they have only caused more people to pay into a system but get little in return to actually obtain healthcare services. The insurance companies profits will soar to the roof as they already are making record profits. Of course they would, they funded the politicians so everything worked in their favor .
Our government will also gain from this since the projections of the federal deficit will be cut in half by 2016 while the public debt will reach over 20 trillion.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...es-fraser.html
If you have to wait for tests, and wait for treatment, your cancer goes un detected and then it is not removed and you die!
In the USA it is not legal to refuse someone healthcare based on their ability to pay. if you give them insurance that most hospitals will not accept, because that is the way of Obamacare they reduce the paymest to providers so they will not accept this insurance, but the customer has the ability to pay , so they can deny healthcare!
It does not work, it just makes liberal feel good, because it is designed to work. so more people go without healthcare, but liberals feel good about themselves, becasue they provide insureance for all, the results are poor care and death, but that is not how you judge yourself is it. It is the intent of the program not the reaults.
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What we have in America is a medical monopoly system that makes everything cost many times what it would cost otherwise.
Get rid of the medical monopoly enforced by bureaucrat edict, and health care costs will plummet.
Stop the current medical doctor education system that forces doctors to go into huge debt, and mistreats them with burdensome "residency".
Replace it with an on job training program where they start as orderlies or nurses and such.
Replace our insane reliance on super expensive drugs, with cheap nutritional treatments. Stop treating symptoms and fix the underlying problem.
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Max the cat says get away from me with that needle!
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The wait times have less to do with funding issues and more to do with a doctor shortage in Canada. The Canadian Medical Association has been an old boys network with respect to foreign practitioners. Rather than make it easier for foreign trained doctors to obtain accreditation, they have historically made it more difficult. That is changing. There are a number of issues including the fact that the few universities that teach medicine are not graduating enough doctors to keep up with the number of doctors that are retiring. A few other issues as well. http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...tage-worsening
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Hundreds of foreign doctors working in the NHS are routinely failing key medical exams, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
Success rates are so poor that medical associations want doctors to be allowed six attempts at passing the tests rather than the current four.
The revelation raises fears the trainee medics, mainly from India, Pakistan and Nigeria, are not suitably qualified to treat patients despite
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#axzz2K4ntLwl3
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
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But it saves money for the NHS.
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You are correct in your assesment, but your reasoning, is wrong. I lost a Doc that I really liked when he moved home to Canada, he was hired by a group of people that got together and formed a private health company. Up until then he was not proacticing in Canada because there was not enough money in it to pay for his education.
The people have gotten tired of socialized medicine. so they are forming private helth organizations so they can get the care they require. this is also taking pressure off the system. We have made some of the same plans here, and that is exactly what will happen, the Rich will hire the best Docs for private care, and the rest of the population will scrap the bottom of the barrel.
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