Socialism Sucks

[Peter1469]

It's a common misconception. France had become a highly centralized state by 18th Century.

It was one of the first in Europe. Probably because of its geography. Easy for the government to move armies around to confront trouble spots.

[stjames1_53]

I think you mean Communism.

socialism is the nail and communism is the hammer.

[stjames1_53]

Some of them certainly push for and believe that socialist elements regarding healthcare are important. Mainstream Dems don't really though.

None of the even far left Dems are pushing for pure socialism. They aren't calling for ending private ownership etc..

Well, the AOC Gang is doing a fine job with their New Green Deal.

[stjames1_53]

The French Revolution was inspired by the American revolution and it created a republic. It was a very tumultuous and complex revolution.

and how did that turn out for them? They became a socialist nation and they are STILL having problems today

[Dr. Who]

Actually, the French Revolution was based on equality. It always ends badly, doesn't it?

It's the same equality contained in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (first 4 articles) 1789:

Article I – Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions can be founded only on the common good.

Article II – The goal of any political association is the conservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man. These rights are liberty, property, safety and resistance against oppression.

Article III – The principle of any sovereignty resides essentially in the Nation. No body, no individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation

Article IV – Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the fruition of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citize n

[stjames1_53]

It's the same equality contained in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (first 4 articles) 1789:

Article I – Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions can be founded only on the common good.

Article II – The goal of any political association is the conservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man. These rights are liberty, property, safety and resistance against oppression.

Article III – The principle of any sovereignty resides essentially in the Nation. No body, no individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation

Article IV – Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the fruition of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citize n

and yet Socialism rules that mess today.
Fact: There is no such thing as equality. When a government implements wealth distribution, the rulers always take half off the top. Therefore, equality cannot exist. It is a pipe dream of those who smoke it by the bowl full.

[Admiral Ackbar]

It's the same equality contained in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (first 4 articles) 1789:

Article I – Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions can be founded only on the common good.

Article II – The goal of any political association is the conservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man. These rights are liberty, property, safety and resistance against oppression.

Article III – The principle of any sovereignty resides essentially in the Nation. No body, no individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation

Article IV – Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the fruition of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citize n

Total misreading.. Equality is not the same as all men are created equal. In the understanding of French Revolution this should be taken to mean equality of result. In the American sense it is that you have the equal right to try and fail.

One is socialist One is freedom based

[Peter1469]

It's the same equality contained in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (first 4 articles) 1789:

Article I – Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions can be founded only on the common good.

Article II – The goal of any political association is the conservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man. These rights are liberty, property, safety and resistance against oppression.

Article III – The principle of any sovereignty resides essentially in the Nation. No body, no individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation

Article IV – Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the fruition of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citize n

Yet the French Revolution devolved into an uncontrolled blood bath. Because its leaders believed that government was the solution.

[Chris]

It's the same equality contained in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."


The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (first 4 articles) 1789:

Article I – Men are born and remain free and equal in rights. Social distinctions can be founded only on the common good.

Article II – The goal of any political association is the conservation of the natural and imprescriptible rights of man. These rights are liberty, property, safety and resistance against oppression.

Article III – The principle of any sovereignty resides essentially in the Nation. No body, no individual may exercise any authority which does not proceed directly from the nation

Article IV – Liberty consists of doing anything which does not harm others: thus, the exercise of the natural rights of each man has only those borders which assure other members of the society the fruition of these same rights. These borders can be determined only by the law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Rights_of_Man_and_of_the_Citize n

No, the French and American understanding of rights were entirely different. As I posted recently in Our Founders’ Common Sense Understanding of Equality, equality was strictly political, your political place in society was no longer determined by heredity. Rather than just emancipate you politically, the French, following Rousseau, wanted to emancipate you socially, they saw society as the source of evil and inequality and sought to eradicate Man from the social customs and institutions of the past, and replace it with a new social contract between Man and the State--that is what those articles in their Declaration speak to.


Your reading of the American Declaration better matches what America has become.

[Dr. Who]

and yet Socialism rules that mess today.
Fact: There is no such thing as equality. When a government implements wealth distribution, the rulers always take half off the top. Therefore, equality cannot exist. It is a pipe dream of those who smoke it by the bowl full.

If you read article I, it refers to being "free and equal in rights", which is the same sentiment conveyed in the DoI. The French declaration was written in consultation with Thomas Jefferson who was in France at the time. Surely you don't impute any socialist motivations to Jefferson?