Chelsea Manning Jailed Again For Protecting Journalism

[Mister D]

Like always MR D thank you for your insults.

That was just an observation.

[Just AnotherPerson]

As a general rule, if the building is a legitimate military target and its destruction or suppression is relevant to the military operation then the civilian deaths are not murders.

You can sit, warm, comfortable, and in no danger while passing judgment. Be as soft and squishy as you want. Don't expect to be taken seriously in important matters.

Your continued coup cheerleading fascinates me. How does someone become so broken?


You are the coup cheerleader. What is your explanation? Are you just eager for civil war?

Ahem..... says he who is "actually" cheerleading for civil war......

[DGUtley]

So good point on what is right. What is right then, and how shall we define what is right? Is it only determined by what is law? Does it have nothing to do with anything beyond law, or have anything to do with fundamental morals that are innate in human beings? We know intuitively what is truly wrong and what is right. If I am a soldier lets say in the air force. I am told to bomb a building. By law and by duty it is right, sure. I am acting in the name of my country. But lets say that in that building dozens of civilians were killed, small children, and babies. Tell me now what is right? Killing babies and children for any reason is wrong, just because law and duty says killing them is ok in the name of a greater good. It does not make it a right action. Because in the law of humanity it is a gross violation.
As per the Saudis these violations should come to an end. It is true that Trump is not the first, but he is taking it to new levels. Whistleblowers have come forward stating he was secretly trying to pass off nuclear technology. We will see where it goes. he is under investigation. Just because other presidents have committed crimes does not forgive this presidents crimes. They are all wrong. I am just as upset at Obama when it comes to war. But he is not president right now, he is not the one doing it now. We need to focus on the current actions in order to bring it to a halt.
If mass murderers have killed scores of people, and then I go out and kill several people in a murder spree. Will I be forgiven, because I say well others did it too, so how can you charge me? That simply wouldn't fly in a court of law.

As for the building scenario: What if that building is being used to kill Americans? Others? And, the bad guys house women and children there to enable that such usage? Would it be moral or right to kill 10 to save 300?

As for the who decides what is right? Oh boy, that is a philosophy discussion that frankly I'm too tired and have a headache to have. That has changed in my lifetime depending on my circumstances, the exigency of circumstances for the country (regrettably), age, etc. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just reality.

I don't think that Trump has access to the nuclear technology but I could be wrong.

You are correct on the murder thing - you cannot justify murder (or speeding) by saying that others did it also.

[MisterVeritis]

Your continued coup cheerleading fascinates me. How does someone become so broken?


You are the coup cheerleader. What is your explanation? Are you just eager for civil war?

Ahem..... says he who is "actually" cheerleading for civil war......

I see it coming. I know why it must come. I hope I will live for 30 more years in freedom. Your team is pressing hard to eliminate my freedoms. So war must come. Your team is trying a second coup attempt. So war must come.

The broken people are on your team. They are people just like you. How did you break?

[MisterVeritis]

Manning is only a traitor if your loyalty is to the government and not the people.

You err.

[Tahuyaman]

Manning is only a traitor if your loyalty is to the government and not the people.

One could defend that view when discussing Snowden's actions, but not Manning.

[The Xl]

You err.

Nah. Government corruption and criminality should be exposed.

[The Xl]

One could defend that view when discussing Snowden's actions, but not Manning.

I agree its more of a gray area with Manning, but he did some good work.

[MisterVeritis]

Nah. Government corruption and criminality should be exposed.

Now you have changed the goal. Manning could have sent his treasure trove of unread old documents to his Congress critter. I don't recall seeing any government corruption. The criminal acts were minor offenses as sometimes happen in wars.

PFC Manning was out to harm the US military. From recollections about his trial, he didn't bother to read most of the documents he gathered together.

[MisterVeritis]

I agree its more of a gray area with Manning, but he did some good work.

Manning did no good work. PFC Manning was a prissy soldier. He probably got picked on. So he copied whole file folders full of old documents and videos without regard to content.

Manning was getting even. Nothing more.