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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    True, but sliding of topic. I'd like some honest explanations of a "living wage", how it's determined and who decides by those that advocate said wage.
    Personally, I'm inclined to ask, who will pay for it and how will it get paid for.
    Once Trump leaves office, I suggest we take the liberals advice and stop working and hold our hands out for their money. Work for cash on the side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beevee View Post
    I would have thought it would be defined by the standard of living one is prepared to accept.

    It's an actual term with an accepted meaning -- all workers deserve a wage, which allows them to pay for all life's necessities; housing, clothing, food, etc.

    The problem lies in the liberal's misunderstanding of the economy and the free market system. Liberals seek to implement a living wage in many areas, and in doing so, they seek to force employers to pay the living wage (typically a few dollars more than minimum wage) to all workers.

    I needn't tell you it's not feasible, I'm sure you know that. I'm just explaining how it's defined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    It's an actual term with an excepted meaning -- all workers deserve a wage, which allows them to pay for all life's necessities; housing, clothing, food, etc.
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    All workers DON'T deserve a wage, which allows them to pay for all life's necessities; housing, clothing, food, etc.

    Workers deserve a wage commensurate with the value the work has to the one who wants the work done. Nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanger4 View Post
    Scenario; Two men, both electrical engineers, live next door same size lot. ManA, married, no children, 1000sq foot home, 1BR 1B. ManB, married, two children, 5 and 6, 2000 sq foot home, 3BR, 2B. Both work at the same corp, both hired same day. Obviously ManA's cost of living is much lower than ManB's. Should the "living wage" for ManA be less ??
    According to liberals, no. The living wage is determined by region and then it's considered to be a replacement for the minimum wage, which is typically a few dollars less.

    In your scenario, ManB's lifestyle would suffer, and that pretty much sums up why a living wage is ignorant -- our lifestyles are different, which means our earning needs also differ.

    The interesting thing in all of this is if you ask a liberal who wants to earn a "living wage," whether he or she would be willing to pay their babysitter the same living wage, they become angry and defensive. Hell no, they can't pay her that -- if they did -- they wouldn't have anything left over from their own wage. And, at that point, I like to say -- BINGO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    All workers DON'T deserve a wage, which allows them to pay for all life's necessities; housing, clothing, food, etc.

    Workers deserve a wage commensurate with the value the work has to the one who wants the work done. Nothing more.
    Of course. A worker's wage should be exactly what his employer decides the worker is worth. If the worker wants more money, he can find a different employer or go into business for himself.

    I'm in agreement, I was just explaining the definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    Personally, I'm inclined to ask, who will pay for it and how will it get paid for. Once Trump leaves office, I suggest we take the liberals advice and stop working and hold our hands out for their money. Work for cash on the side.
    The hiree would pay, which means the consuming public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FindersKeepers View Post
    It's an actual term with an accepted meaning -- all workers deserve a wage, which allows them to pay for all life's necessities; housing, clothing, food, etc.

    The problem lies in the liberal's misunderstanding of the economy and the free market system. Liberals seek to implement a living wage in many areas, and in doing so, they seek to force employers to pay the living wage (typically a few dollars more than minimum wage) to all workers.

    I needn't tell you it's not feasible, I'm sure you know that. I'm just explaining how it's defined.
    Well, I define a living wage on what I need to live on. So, I'm not much for definitions, what I receive from the results of my previous employment, together with Government pensions earned, is sufficient for me.

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    A living wage would be fluid from city to city. IMO you can't agree on what the living wage would or should be. The market should value the work you do and be skills tested.
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    From each according to his ability
    To each according to his need.

    Using this simple uncomplicated formula it is obvious Man A does not need as much as Man B. Ergo Man B is entitled to more money. But wait, there's more, what about the janitor in the basement of the company. He has nine kids from 4 different woman, drives a 2019 BMW and spends a minimum of $2000.00 a month on his mistress. Would he not be entitled to more money than either A or B?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyz View Post
    A living wage would be fluid from city to city. IMO you can't agree on what the living wage would or should be. The market should value the work you do and be skills tested.
    You're right, it does fluctuate based on cost of living.

    Here's an interactive map that shows the "proposed" living wage in all states.

    https://research.zippia.com/living-wage.html

    Problem is -- there's no reason to guarantee anyone a wage. That's up to them. This is a leftist idea that needs to be nipped in the bud before it spreads.
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