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    If socialists really wanted to help people they’d be capitalists

    The joke is funny.

    If socialists really wanted to help people they’d be capitalists

    I heard a joke last week that starkly reflected the reality of socialism. It was unique. I can’t recall any other time that I found the reality of socialism amusing. As my first foray into rehearsed comedy, on Tuesday March 5, I repeated it on Trish Regan’s show. For those who missed it (and missing Trish’s show is a mistake) the joke goes: “How did socialists light their homes before candles?” The punch line: “Electricity.”

    Three days later, on the following Friday, Venezuela experienced an unprecedented power blackout. Venezuelans were actually lighting their homes with candles. Socialist dictator Nicholas Maduro blamed an “electricity war declared and directed by the imperialist United States.” Seriously.
    The point is serious.

    This socialist reality is something I hope Congresswoman Alexandria Orcasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., (AOC) and her ilk will take to heart. But, I’m skeptical. Last week, AOC stated that under capitalism “we prioritize profit and the accumulation of money above all else” but under her desired version of “Democratic Socialism” we put “democracy and society first, instead of capital first.” In an Alice in Wonderland moment, she concluded that “it doesn’t mean that the actual concept of capitalistic society should be abolished.”

    As AOC notes, the motive in a capitalist economy is profit. But, here’s what she seems to be missing. Capitalist societies create abundance and prosperity by taking our natural desire to improve our lives - to profit - and directing it outward to satisfying the needs of others. This much-berated profit motive is precisely what incentivizes us to meet the needs of others because - wait for it - that’s how you profit.
    If AOC knew her Marx she would know he argued socialism builds on the success of capitalism. Capitalism would begin to fail when socialism would step in and put capital in the hands of workers. The idea was this would salvage capitalsim...and everyone would live happily ever after.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    she's headed back to her bartending job.............maybe as a swamper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    she's headed back to her bartending job.............maybe as a swamper?
    How she was able to get elected in the first place, seems rather fishy.

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    She is an idiot. She is getting her 15 minutes right now. It will come to an end.

    Anyone that thinks Socialism is the answer is a complete moron. Capiliasm allows us to have the social safety net programs we choose. Socialism can’t susatain that model. The end!

    They run around yapping about the tax rate needing to be insanely high. Buzzzzz! Incomplete information. The rich own the politicians. Nobody with money will allow a 90% tax rate now or in the past. How did we have it? It was a short term loan by the rich. In exchange they were able to write off insane amounts for everything. When that was no longer needed they started peeling it back. Just look it up.

    They cant say 90% today because of the states taxes. So they have switched to 70%. Bunch uninformed or worse flat out liars.
    Blacks and poor people been voting Democrat for years and years. Hey are no better off. Vote for economics and traditions. Be part of saving America from the nutty left. The ones that highjacked this jaskassery Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texan View Post
    She is an idiot. She is getting her 15 minutes right now. It will come to an end.

    Anyone that thinks Socialism is the answer is a complete moron. Capiliasm allows us to have the social safety net programs we choose. Socialism can’t susatain that model. The end!

    They run around yapping about the tax rate needing to be insanely high. Buzzzzz! Incomplete information. The rich own the politicians. Nobody with money will allow a 90% tax rate now or in the past. How did we have it? It was a short term loan by the rich. In exchange they were able to write off insane amounts for everything. When that was no longer needed they started peeling it back. Just look it up.

    They cant say 90% today because of the states taxes. So they have switched to 70%. Bunch uninformed or worse flat out liars.
    I would guess much of the same was said by the German middle class about Hitler. Socialism exist because of a perceived "victim class" and one thing the Democrats are excellent at is creating victims. Its gotten to the point the only non victims in America today are white males and Jews
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    I would guess much of the same was said by the German middle class about Hitler. Socialism exist because of a perceived "victim class" and one thing the Democrats are excellent at is creating victims. Its gotten to the point the only non victims in America today are white males and Jews

    The German working class bought into Hitler's bill of goods because he gave them what they wanted, took them from the utter poverty and disgrace of WWI and the devastation of the Versaille's Treaty, and gave them prosperity and pride--or so they thought, but TINSTAAFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The German working class bought into Hitler's bill of goods because he gave them what they wanted, took them from the utter poverty and disgrace of WWI and the devastation of the Versaille's Treaty, and gave them prosperity and pride--or so they thought, but TINSTAAFL.
    Agreed, but the utter poverty and disgrace was brought on by government actions. Hitler only magnified those actions, much like Castro did in Cuba. Both solved their poverty problem by killing off millions of the countries citizens, either by a massive war and genocide in the case of Germany or just by killing off anyone who disagreed with him in Cuba, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Cuba's most productive class leaving the country at its first opportunity.

    Where would we go if AOC's policies came to fruition, except to the barricades?
    Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire.
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    If socialist really wanted to help people...

    ...they'd go out into the middle of fallow crop land and commit suicide. Bull$#@! promotes plant growth.

    ...they would put plastic bags over their heads. The CO2 they exhale is killing the planet. Even though it helps promote plant growth.

    ...they would contribute their own money to their own causes so we could judge their sincerity. Okay, we already judge their insincerity, but we want them out of our wallets.

    ...they'd stop reproducing. Hell, they already kill millions of their babies already...why are they still making them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The German working class bought into Hitler's bill of goods because he gave them what they wanted, took them from the utter poverty and disgrace of WWI and the devastation of the Versaille's Treaty, and gave them prosperity and pride--or so they thought, but TINSTAAFL.
    Hitler was a good socialist.

    Well, the only good socialist is a dead socialist, so Hitler is a good socialist now.

    When is Ruth Buzzy Ginseng going to become a good socialist?
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    How did Venezeulan socialists light their homes before candles?

    They don't know, they ate their candles before the lights went out.
    Freedom Requires Obstinance.

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