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    Quote Originally Posted by The Xl View Post
    Hasn't stop either the Feds or state governments before, don't think its gonna change not, especially not in NY
    Since we outlawed lawyers, there's nobody to go in there and slug it out for the people....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    I don't do criminal law and I didn't follow the Manafort thing. Were any of these charges lesser included offenses in the federal charges so as to trigger double jeopardy - or are they totally unrelated?
    No double jeopardy here. That's by design. Mueller coordinated this in order to ensure the state convictions would be pardon proof. California will be the next to indict.

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    Question:
    Does Manafort hold real estate in NY? If he doesn't, how can they bring charges against him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    No double jeopardy here. That's by design. Mueller coordinated this in order to ensure the state convictions would be pardon proof. California will be the next to indict.
    as I posted, is there proper jurisdiction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    as I posted, is there proper jurisdiction?
    Jurisdiction for what?

    A president can not issue a pardon for state or local convictions. That's as clear as I can make it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    Question:
    Does Manafort hold real estate in NY? If he doesn't, how can they bring charges against him?
    Because he is accused of committing crimes in New York State. You don't need to be a property owner to be accused of committing a crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Jurisdiction for what?

    A president can not issue a pardon for state or local convictions. That's as clear as I can make it.
    I was referring to NY...does it have proper jurisdiction? I give a rat's ass about Trump and his pardon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Because he is accused of committing crimes in New York State. You don't need to be a property owner to be accused of committing a crime.
    It does matter. If he hasn't committed a crime in NY, how can they haul before a state judge?
    Or is this a federal case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    I was referring to NY...does it have proper jurisdiction? I give a rat's ass about Trump and his pardon.

    Manafort is accused of committing separate crimes in NY. The state has the authority to indict him for those alleged crimes. Who else would have jurisdiction over that?

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