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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I read all of the citations, none of which claim Gould lied, but suggested that his own bias may have influenced some of his conclusions.

    Did you notice the fact that Wolff also agrees with Gould's conclusion that Morton's racial biases influenced how he reported and interpreted his measurements? How about the fact that the group that made the original accusation were also found to be biased? It's all junk science anyway, but the fact that Morton never even made any allowance for smaller skulls belonging to anatomically smaller people or any allowances for gender and again a difference in physical size underscores the agenda behind the theory. Then again using two different materials within the same study to measure skull capacity is also going to produce different results - very poor scientific method even for the 19th century.
    If you prefer to think of Gould's critique as sloppy and ironically biased that's fine. He was very careful not to accuse Morton outright of consciously falsifying data but he knew his readers would get the hint.

    No, the anthropologists who blasted Gould were not "found to be biased" and you could call the vast majority of scientific research "junk" by contemporary standards. We get it. You don't like racism. Gould didn't either and let his politics influence his research. That was his biggest and most ironic failing. It appears to be yours as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I think it's pretty outrageous to base a theory on the so-called relative intellectual capacity of 'the races' on a collection of human skulls - don't you think? The deluded racist conclusions of Samuel Morton as published in his book, Crania Americana (1839), very much influenced the way non-Europeans were treated in America and Europe and the legacy of those beliefs continue to disinform and promote racist attitudes to this day.
    Asians are the smartest. Stero-types have a basis in many cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    If you don't know what your point is how could I?

    LOL. Still trying to last word it , eh? OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Asians are the smartest. Stero-types have a basis in many cases.
    I don't think that they are smarter - they are far more studious. In traditional Chinese homes, there is a great deal of pressure on children in terms of scholastic achievement which guarantees their acceptance into good post-secondary schools and thus well-paid professions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I don't think that they are smarter - they are far more studious. In traditional Chinese homes, there is a great deal of pressure on children in terms of scholastic achievement which guarantees their acceptance into good post-secondary schools and thus well-paid professions.
    There are people that are smarter than others, IQs demonstrate that, there "appear" to be ethnicities that far exceed others
    Like the Germans were the ones to develop nuclear capability.

    Egyptians building incredible structures when other races built mud huts there are many examples of this throughout history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    There are people that are smarter than others, IQs demonstrate that, there "appear" to be ethnicities that far exceed others
    Like the Germans were the ones to develop nuclear capability.

    Egyptians building incredible structures when other races built mud huts there are many examples of this throughout history.
    There may well be intellectual differences between individuals, but rarely are those who are 'geniuses' equally adept in all spectrums. IQ tests tend to measure analytical abilities, spatial recognition and short-term memory. The thing is that there is no way to measure what part of that is innate and to what degree this is learned or cultivated in children. It also doesn't measure emotional intelligence or creativity etc.

    I suspect that there are many factors that played into the creation of great civilizations - written language being one of them as well as mathematics. The other thing that helped is being on a trade route where not only goods, but knowledge was exchanged and schools developed. Rural people live in mud huts in places where there is little else to build from and they lead a hunter/gatherer lifestyle or have small farms in places where the land is desiccated and life is a daily struggle for survival. Major civilization did not evolve in the home of the Vikings either.
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