Another raised them from puppies story

[Dr. Who]

Wait, not socializing the dogs with goats caused them to attack their owner? Is there no end to the excuses people will make up for pitbulls? Enough already.

Once dogs are in the midst of an attack, they can be oblivious to interference by the owner and even attack them. I don't buy the theory that dogs just suddenly go crazy one day. The fact that you have raised pups from an early age doesn't mean that you can control them or that you have taught them to be obedient or that the dog or dogs actually have any regard for you. There are plenty of dog owners who control their dogs through cruelty and fear and that kind of owner is likely to be guzzled by a dog in the throes of blood lust.

Our Shibas, being Shibas, had a high prey drive but you could stop them from killing an animal by inserting your hand in their mouth because they would never, ever, bite us, no matter how carried away they were with the hunt and Shibas can become deaf to commands when they are hunting. In fact, even our German Shepherd who wished death on all cats could be made to leave them alone and never, ever bit one of us or any other person who was allowed in the household. She and our other dog, a terrier/$#@!er spaniel did chew up a housebreaker once as evidenced by the blood smears on the walls up the stairs and at the door where he escaped. He never got a chance to steal anything.

The point is, if your dogs are truly well disciplined and properly socialized, they don't just go nuts. Big dogs require more care and attention to their breed characteristics and common sense perception of their personalities because they are capable of hurting people and animals. The world is full of incompetent and irresponsible dog owners who will say anything to avoid personal responsibility.

[Dr. Who]

That's what gets me, too...."he's always been so sweet, never did anything wrong, this is the first time"......etc.... those people didn't know HOW to pick up on signals their dog was presenting....the dog that just, snaps one day, was probably dropping signs, left and right.

The truth is that many people have dogs and don't have a clue how to raise them to be good doggy citizens - they are generally the same people who can't raise kids to be good human citizens. Just as their dogs were always angels, so were their criminal children.

[Sergeant Gleed]

Goats are unlikely to run away from puppies. If you wait too long to socialize dogs with the elements in their environment that they should take for granted, they can view them as challenges to their territory or objects of fear. That time for easy socialization is limited.

"Socialization is really classical conditioning – creating an association between two stimuli. Behavioral scientists have identified the period from 4 to 14 weeks as the most important window of time for a puppy's social development. After the age of 14 weeks that window starts to close, and it closes pretty quickly." https://www.whole-dog-journal.com/is...g_16130-1.html

One of my rescues spent her first 18 months as the big dog in an unsupervised yard of seven. She WILL dominate.

Except for this Great Pyranees/husky hybrid. That dog is six inches taller and the girl just isn't sure about that one...who's a big sweetie.

And, like I said, she's a Siberia husky, bred to chase the dog in front.

Her socialization window closed before we got her. So we have to keep her away from most other dogs. And skunks, gophers, opossums, kittens, that kind of thing.

[Dr. Who]

One of my rescues spent her first 18 months as the big dog in an unsupervised yard of seven. She WILL dominate.

Except for this Great Pyranees/husky hybrid. That dog is six inches taller and the girl just isn't sure about that one...who's a big sweetie.

And, like I said, she's a Siberia husky, bred to chase the dog in front.

Her socialization window closed before we got her. So we have to keep her away from most other dogs. And skunks, gophers, opossums, kittens, that kind of thing.

That's just responsibility. If you know your dog's proclivities and the consequences, you make sure that they don't have those opportunities and you understand the potential liability.

[Common]

Once dogs are in the midst of an attack, they can be oblivious to interference by the owner and even attack them. I don't buy the theory that dogs just suddenly go crazy one day. The fact that you have raised pups from an early age doesn't mean that you can control them or that you have taught them to be obedient or that the dog or dogs actually have any regard for you. There are plenty of dog owners who control their dogs through cruelty and fear and that kind of owner is likely to be guzzled by a dog in the throes of blood lust.

Our Shibas, being Shibas, had a high prey drive but you could stop them from killing an animal by inserting your hand in their mouth because they would never, ever, bite us, no matter how carried away they were with the hunt and Shibas can become deaf to commands when they are hunting. In fact, even our German Shepherd who wished death on all cats could be made to leave them alone and never, ever bit one of us or any other person who was allowed in the household. She and our other dog, a terrier/$#@!er spaniel did chew up a housebreaker once as evidenced by the blood smears on the walls up the stairs and at the door where he escaped. He never got a chance to steal anything.

The point is, if your dogs are truly well disciplined and properly socialized, they don't just go nuts. Big dogs require more care and attention to their breed characteristics and common sense perception of their personalities because they are capable of hurting people and animals. The world is full of incompetent and irresponsible dog owners who will say anything to avoid personal responsibility.

Doc you can jump, spin and pirouette and you cant excuse the behavior of pitbulls, by blaming the owners, the goats for not gettting to know them or the neighbor that owned the goats or any other reason

I guess you missed where It said they had both those dogs since 7 weeks old and the neighbor knew and socialized with the dogs since they were puppies. WHO takes their goats to meet pit bulls so the pit bulls wont kill them, seriously.

So using your analysis its the owners fault because they didnt socialize their pitbulls with every other kind of animal they may come in contact with with in the diameter of where they might roam if they got loose so the pitbulls would know them personally and not kill them. Tripe doc.

[FindersKeepers]

Goats are unlikely to run away from puppies. If you wait too long to socialize dogs with the elements in their environment that they should take for granted, they can view them as challenges to their territory or objects of fear. That time for easy socialization is limited.

"Socialization is really classical conditioning – creating an association between two stimuli. Behavioral scientists have identified the period from 4 to 14 weeks as the most important window of time for a puppy's social development. After the age of 14 weeks that window starts to close, and it closes pretty quickly." https://www.whole-dog-journal.com/is...g_16130-1.html

This is exactly right!

These incidences are usually caused by well-meaning, but ignorant pet owners who do not take the steps necessary to socialize the dogs.

[FindersKeepers]

Doc you can jump, spin and pirouette and you cant excuse the behavior of pitbulls, by blaming the owners, the goats for not gettting to know them or the neighbor that owned the goats or any other reason

I guess you missed where It said they had both those dogs since 7 weeks old and the neighbor knew and socialized with the dogs since they were puppies. WHO takes their goats to meet pit bulls so the pit bulls wont kill them, seriously.

So using your analysis its the owners fault because they didnt socialize their pitbulls with every other kind of animal they may come in contact with with in the diameter of where they might roam if they got loose so the pitbulls would know them personally and not kill them. Tripe doc.

I don't think he's blaming the owner of the goats or the man who got bitten, I think he's just explaining how it could have been prevented.