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Thread: ‘NATO solidarity clause is called Article 5, not article F-35’ – French defense .

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    That's incorrect. The US cannot take any credit for the post war boom. Prosperity goes hand in hand with peace ....the same as poverty goes hand in hand with war. The US is trying to squeeze it's prosperity out of war....which doesn't work.
    No, you are incorrect. For every dollar that the US has spent defending Europe, that was a dollar that Europe didn't have to spend to defend itself. You don't think that's a benefit? Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by us Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries paid even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. In fact, in World War 2, your beloved Soviet Union received about 7,000 fighter aircraft and more than 4,000 tanks via Lend-Lease from the United States. The Soviet Union also got 430,000 trucks (Studebaker, 2.5 tons), 340,000 field telephones and 800,000 miles of telephone cables. About 5,000 tanks, 7,000 aircraft and over 200,000 tons of other war materials were lost at sea in the holds of ships trying to reach Soviet ports in the far north of Russia, near the Arctic Circle. More tanks and aircraft were lost near the Arctic Circle than in any single tank or air battle in WW2 or in the history of warfare.

    The Marshall Plan .. the Truman Policy .. all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Americans have helped control floods on the Nile, the amazon, the Ganges and the Niger. When distant cities are hit by earthquakes, tsunami's it is the Americans that hurry in to help. So far this spring, several American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

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    https://canadafreepress.com/2004/main070704.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The let the US rebuild them and defend them since WWII.
    I don't think they had a choice at first, or the right to build full military now in Japan's case . And many will let you do it for them. But you don't do so unless you get secondary gain.
    I'm all for cutting the umbilical cord. How about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    ...and have benefited from it economically.
    But we have benefited from it where it matters. Ego and power. Are you up for cutting the umbilical cord?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    But we have benefited from it where it matters. Ego and power. Are you up for cutting the umbilical cord?
    I don't see it as an umbilical cord; but, yes, I would like to be absolved of the burden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    I think the bottom line here is that Germany , along with many other countries , are growing tired of the US's perpetual warmongering , Chinaphobia , Russiaphobia , throwing sanctions all over the world like parking tickets etc etc .

    Yeah, that's it.

    At least that's the view you get on RT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    I don't think they had a choice at first, or the right to build full military now in Japan's case . And many will let you do it for them. But you don't do so unless you get secondary gain.
    I'm all for cutting the umbilical cord. How about you?
    Europe does not need the US so much today, I agree with that. They will have to figure out how to trim down their social welfare programs to pay for their own defense.
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    "Marshall Plan, 1948 In the immediate post-World War II period, Europe remained ravaged by war and thus susceptible to exploitation by an internal and external Communist threat. In a June 5, 1947, speech to the graduating class at Harvard University, Secretary of State George C. Marshall issued a call for a comprehensive program to rebuild Europe. Fanned by the fear of Communist expansion and the rapid deterioration of European economies in the winter of 1946–1947, Congress passed the Economic Cooperation Act in March 1948 and approved funding that would eventually rise to over $12 billion for the rebuilding of Western Europe.".........https://history.state.gov/milestones.../marshall-plan

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    Australia's post war boom was driven predominantly by immigration from Europe . Our economy was mostly domestic , with only wool as our main export. The main driver of the domestic economy was the building of infrastructure and residential housing for a growing economy.

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    The world changed significantly with the break up of the Soviet Union . I t was a clean slate , and an opportunity for the world to move forward and advance to a new level . What happened ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    The world changed significantly with the break up of the Soviet Union . I t was a clean slate , and an opportunity for the world to move forward and advance to a new level . What happened ?
    The Great Powers were too slow to adapt to the fall of the Soviet Union.
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