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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I did too but I persevered. Some of his insights were very valuable. For example, he articulated some of the nuances of Greek religion and science. That cleared some things up for me. His commentary on the state in early history was also fascinating.
    So I thought you were going to thrall with the author's insights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So I thought you were going to thrall with the author's insights?
    You're trying too hard.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Everyone can be wrong at time, regardless of intelligence and education.
    True. Both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    You're trying too hard.

    So, once again you can't validate anything you say. You can't elaborate on any of this "knowledge" that you say you possess...

    What a sad lonely existence you must lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    So, once again you can't validate anything you say. You can't elaborate on any of this "knowledge" that you say you possess...

    What a sad lonely existence you must lead.
    Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Lol
    Yeah; I'm right. Nobody at home.

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    Societies, like small children, start out with an undeveloped knowledge of what is real and what is imagined. Part of that involves superstition, including a belief in an invisible, intelligent, all-powerful being. Eventually, a society begins to develop a more mature and reality-based perspective on life and the world, as do most individuals - unless they are either acted upon by societal/family pressure, or they simply accept the myths and superstitions they were taught as children because it's somehow comforting to do so. Most Westerners, and a sizable percentage of the planet's others, only give lip service to a belief in a god; their identification with an organized Faith is purely cultural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Societies, like small children, start out with an undeveloped knowledge of what is real and what is imagined. Part of that involves superstition, including a belief in an invisible, intelligent, all-powerful being. Eventually, a society begins to develop a more mature and reality-based perspective on life and the world, as do most individuals - unless they are either acted upon by societal/family pressure, or they simply accept the myths and superstitions they were taught as children because it's somehow comforting to do so. Most Westerners, and a sizable percentage of the planet's others, only give lip service to a belief in a god; their identification with an organized Faith is purely cultural.

    Good summary of the progressive view of man.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Societies, like small children, start out with an undeveloped knowledge of what is real and what is imagined. Part of that involves superstition, including a belief in an invisible, intelligent, all-powerful being. Eventually, a society begins to develop a more mature and reality-based perspective on life and the world, as do most individuals - unless they are either acted upon by societal/family pressure, or they simply accept the myths and superstitions they were taught as children because it's somehow comforting to do so. Most Westerners, and a sizable percentage of the planet's others, only give lip service to a belief in a god; their identification with an organized Faith is purely cultural.
    Belief in an "invisible, intelligent, all-powerful being" appears rather late so your contention falls flat on its face right out of the gate. Anyway, can you describe this more mature, reality based perspective? You have simply accepted myths, such as human equality, dignity, justice, right and wrong etc. Are you child like? Do these myths comfort you? Or do they reflect the formative impact of religion (i.e. 1500 years of Christianity) on the Western mind? Do tell.

    their identification with an organized Faith is purely cultural



    As opposed to what? Man is a cultural animal. What does this statement mean?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Belief in an "invisible, intelligent, all-powerful being" appears rather late so your contention falls flat on its face right out of the gate.

    Not at all. The earliest known civilizations of which we have records had their superstitions about powerful beings controlling their fate, and very often their pantheon of deities or spirits had an overall ruler. Or, as in classic Hinduism, all of the lesser gods were recognized as aspects or reflections of a single, omniscient being. In any case, the point is not whether a society worshiped one god or a dozen, but the fact that they found it necessary to worship any at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Anyway, can you describe this more mature, reality based perspective?
    It's the one most people live with every day. It consists largely of dealing with the world as it exists, becoming involved when others are being hurt or threatened, and not giving a second (or even a first) thought to an invisible parent figure in the sky.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    You have simply accepted myths, such as human equality, dignity, justice, right and wrong etc.
    Far from being "myths", those are concepts we have gleaned from millennia of human interactions. They are a large part of what makes a society work, develop and thrive - justice in particular.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Are you child like? Do these myths comfort you? Or do they reflect the formative impact of religion (i.e. 1500 years of Christianity) on the Western mind? Do tell.
    The Judeo-Christian Scriptures, including the lessons they contain, were written by human beings; their interpretation, along with the imposition of the corresponding rules therein, was also the work of people, masquerading as "God's messengers". For every advancement in justice, every understanding of truth, Christianity, as it has been practiced, has been responsible for an instance (or several) of injustice, persecution and death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    As opposed to what? Man is a cultural animal. What does this statement mean?
    It means that many people - in the U.S. and Western Europe, I daresay a majority - who profess a belief in a supernatural "god" do so insincerely or without serious thought. They do so in order to "fit in" with family and co-workers, or because in many situations non-believers are not welcome or trusted. (Does anyone really believe that Kristen Synema is the first atheist in the U.S. Senate?) Or they identify as "Christians" in much the same way they would tell you that they are "German-Americans" or "Patriots fans" or members of a fraternal organization they haven't attended a meeting of in thirty years.
    "It is a foolish man who believes that he possesses all of the answers unless he is absolutely certain that he has heard all of the questions." - me

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