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    I'm reading Numa Denis Fustel De Coulanges's The Ancient City: A Study on the Religion, Laws, and Institutions of Greece and Rome. It starts off with the ancient, one might say, primitive religious beliefs embodied first in rituals around burial, preparing the body, visiting it, bring it food and wine, in effect respecting even worshiping the dead, one's ancestors, and then moves on to rituals around the hearth and keeping the family fire going, making offerings to it, thanking and pleading from it good fortune. It was initially a bit off-putting but the author sources it in ancient myths, poems, songs, plays and, having studied a bit of Greek and Roman Mythology, it became very convincing. I saw the same when I lived in Japan for a time in the old Shinto religion the people there still practice as custom without really knowing why. One imagines the American Indian with the same view of religion and life. It imbues life with mysticism, a sacredness lost to moderns who dispel it as mere myth, dismiss it as abstract imaginings of their own and denigrate it as primitive and uncultured.
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    Coulanges was a Medievalist who I have long wanted to check out. Where did you find that?
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    Coulanges was a Medievalist who I have long wanted to check out. Where did you find that?
    Amazon, ~$20 new. --See there is a use for modern global markets!
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    It seems to me that transcendent religion forces the Divine out of everyday experience. Whether that's good or bad I don't know. Maybe a little of both.
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    Amazon, ~$20 new. --See there is a use for modern global markets!
    lol thanks. I have to get some Summer reading material so this is on the list.
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    It seems to me that transcendent religion forces the Divine out of everyday experience. Whether that's good or bad I don't know. Maybe a little of both.
    That transcendence moving, or being moved, into the secular reliance on reason is a loss of both religious experiences. I recognize that for transcendent religion even though I don't share in it. Reason has advanced us technologically but not a bit morally or spiritually.
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    That transcendence moving, or being moved, into the secular reliance on reason is a loss of both religious experiences. I recognize that for transcendent religion even though I don't share in it. Reason has advanced us technologically but not a bit morally or spiritually.
    Agreed. I find the evolutionary arguments the strangest. It's said that we're progressing but toward what? What is our goal? What is our reference point?
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    Agreed. I find the evolutionary arguments the strangest. It's said that we're progressing but toward what? What is our goal? What is our reference point?
    Evolution is not progressive, not by design. It's simply whatever works in a plate for a time. Not sure where progressives go the idea it was progressive and could be designed. Marx perhaps.

    The reference point, or where we come from, is primitive beliefs, but those are held to be primitive and uncultured and so thrown out. Leaving no foundation.
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