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Thread: Assange/Wikileaks Situation -vs- New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713

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    Post Assange/Wikileaks Situation -vs- New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713

    We are in a very interesting situation. We have: New York Times Co. v. United States, 403 U.S. 713 (1971), was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court on the First Amendment. The ruling made it possible for The New York Times and The Washington Post newspapers to publish the then-classified Pentagon Papers without risk of government censorship or punishment.
    President Richard Nixon had claimed executive authority to force the Times to suspend publication of classified information in its possession. The question before the court was whether the constitutional freedom of the press, guaranteed by the First Amendment, was subordinate to a claimed need of the executive branch of government to maintain the secrecy of information. The Supreme Court ruled that the First Amendment did protect the right of The New York Times to print the materials.

    Now, we have the Assange/Wikileaks situation. The government claims that Wikileaks assisted Manning in the theft. Should that make a difference? Does that make it spying? Should it? What is the difference between gathering news and spying?

    Is this an attack on the free press?
    Is this a legitimate attack on the free press?
    Is this an attack on spies?
    Remember, Manning was let go.

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    I would think a journalist actively participating in stealing classified documents is not protected conduct. They can accept the material. They can publish the material. But not steal the material.
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    Pete, I think that's the argument. Once it gets into assisting in taking, it's spying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Pete, I think that's the argument. Once it gets into assisting in taking, it's spying?
    Maybe not technically spying (for Assange). But illegally attempting to break into a secured IT system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I would think a journalist actively participating in stealing classified documents is not protected conduct. They can accept the material. They can publish the material. But not steal the material.
    I would think that assisting in the stealing would be an accessory to the crime. If a person assist in a bank robbery by driving a person to and from the bank but never goes into the bank is still guilty of bank robbery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don29palms View Post
    I would think that assisting in the stealing would be an accessory to the crime. If a person assist in a bank robbery by driving a person to and from the bank but never goes into the bank is still guilty of bank robbery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I would think a journalist actively participating in stealing classified documents is not protected conduct. They can accept the material. They can publish the material. But not steal the material.
    By publishing the material they are actively participating in the theft.

    That court decision was like telling a charity thst they in no trouble if a bank robber donates his haul and they don't have to return the money.

    Everyone goes on and on about this decision as if the court made the correct ruling. And most of thst is fueled because the morons view Assange as some kind of cult hero and not as the dangerous criminal he is.
    Freedom Requires Obstinance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Maybe not technically spying (for Assange). But illegally attempting to break into a secured IT system.
    So, we never call espionage ring - leaders "master spies"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Pete, I think that's the argument. Once it gets into assisting in taking, it's spying?
    So...rhe police do not arrest fences and "reciever of stolen goods" is not a real crime?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergeant Gleed View Post
    By publishing the material they are actively participating in the theft.
    You err.

    That court decision was like telling a charity thst they in no trouble if a bank robber donates his haul and they don't have to return the money.
    It is not like that at all.

    Everyone goes on and on about this decision as if the court made the correct ruling. And most of thst is fueled because the morons view Assange as some kind of cult hero and not as the dangerous criminal he is.
    The US Constitution is the correct ruling.

    The government's case against Assange hinges on the government's allegation that Assange helped Manning break a password.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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