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    Quote Originally Posted by Cotton1 View Post
    We could have avoided much of the problem by turning Iraq into a crater on day one.
    That's quite a stupid statement . Many people died in Iraq , solely for the benefit of a few oil companies. Those same oil companies have not improved your life , or anyone's life since - they have only made the world a lesser place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    That's quite a stupid statement . Many people died in Iraq , solely for the benefit of a few oil companies. Those same oil companies have not improved your life , or anyone's life since - they have only made the world a lesser place.
    US oil companies were shut out of Iraq oil contracts. 2009.

    I believe that some US companies may have won contracts since then.

    The US did not go to Iraq for oil companies. That is silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    US oil companies were shut out of Iraq oil contracts. 2009. I believe that some US companies may have won contracts since then. The US did not go to Iraq for oil companies. That is silly.
    The US does not go anywhere unless there are resources involved ..... you're flogging a horse that has been dead for years with that one.....(lol).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    It seemed like the world was safer then. You knew who your friends and enemies were -- and your enemies had an interest in you feeling comfortable and content. The free-for-all isn't good geopolitically.
    I wouldn't say it is a free for all. Just means that entities like Japan, EU and Australia need to participate in their own defense and interests. We will cooperate where those interests align. Take the NATO example. It is worn out and needs to die. You might argue it is in fact already dead.
    This is not an American or European abandonment of NATO. It is simply a reflection of the fact that a military alliance has a mission, and the mission on which NATO was founded is gone. The general principle that brought NATO members together that Europe and the U.S. have common security interests will always be set against a realistic appreciation of the situation. Retaining a military alliance that is irrelevant to the reality increases rather than decreases the danger to Europe and the United States. Its as nonsensical as if British reconnaissance flights were still taking place over Germany in 1970. That war was long over by the 70s, and so too is the one NATO was built to fight. There will always be a need for security alliances. But NATO is an anachronism that has survived long past its original mission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    The US does not go anywhere unless there are resources involved ..... you're flogging a horse that has been dead for years with that one.....(lol).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    US oil companies were shut out of Iraq oil contracts. 2009. I believe that some US companies may have won contracts since then. The US did not go to Iraq for oil companies. That is silly.
    A link about events that happened 10 years ago is not relevant to the situation in 2019. Too much has happened in the oil industry over the last 10 years. The Iraqi invasion was predominantly about the oil , and also Saddam's intention to trade oil in gold , and not use the greenback. Libya was attacked for much the same reasons. In a nutshell , the invasion of Iraq was one of the dumbest decisions made by any government during my lifetime, by some very screwed up men (?) in power . Some things change , some things never do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    A link about events that happened 10 years ago is not relevant to the situation in 2019. Too much has happened in the oil industry over the last 10 years. The Iraqi invasion was predominantly about the oil , and also Saddam's intention to trade oil in gold , and not use the greenback. Libya was attacked for much the same reasons. In a nutshell , the invasion of Iraq was one of the dumbest decisions made by any government during my lifetime, by some very screwed up men (?) in power . Some things change , some things never do.
    Oil had something to do with the invasion but it was not US oil companies that US acted for. Pay attention. This was covered above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PJL View Post
    The US does not go anywhere unless there are resources involved ..... you're flogging a horse that has been dead for years with that one.....(lol).
    Like South Korea. Haiti. Somalia. Afghanistan. Grenada. Or Yemen.

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    [QUOTE=Common;2578010]I think hes saying that Russia is taking over americas top spot. They are the new tough guy on the block, /QUOTE]"as liberals weaken us" you don't seem to get it. Russia and many other countries see us as letting a $#@!ing clown hold the Presidency.....

    Albert Einstein: The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."

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    [QUOTE=AZ Jim;2579738]
    Quote Originally Posted by Common View Post
    I think hes saying that Russia is taking over americas top spot. They are the new tough guy on the block, /QUOTE]"as liberals weaken us" you don't seem to get it. Russia and many other countries see us as letting a $#@!ing clown hold the Presidency.....
    Lethal levels of TDS.
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