Russia Says ‘New World Order’ Being Formed

[PJL]

I think hes saying that Russia is taking over americas top spot. They are the new tough guy on the block, as liberals weaken us

you mean like John Wayne ? ...(lol)

[Peter1469]

I think hes saying that Russia is taking over americas top spot. They are the new tough guy on the block, as liberals weaken us

Russia does not have the ability to do that. They can be a regional power for the next two decades and then demographics dooms them.

[Peter1469]

George H W bush said the same thing about the US; what's your point?

Did you miss it?

[Common Sense]

The left is weakening us by creating, and constantly fomenting internal strife, and division, and constantly attacking American values and principles.

I agree, the endless wars are not good for the country. If that's the case, why do libs go crazy when Trump wants to pull US troops out of war zones? Hmmmm.

Yeah, damn those liberals for making people racist and intolerant.

Both sides share the blame when it comes to division. It's pretty far fetched to claim liberals are solely to blame for the political and cultural divide. It's even more ludicrous to suggest that it's intentional.

[Ethereal]

Russia Says ‘New World Order’ Being Formed

I think what Lavrov is saying is that the cultural globalism push by Western elites is failing. If that is true, I agree it is a good thing. But I don't think that means that the Western liberal model of society is dying. It is returning to nationalism- which is good and will strengthen the West. I have happy that Russia has resisted this impulse of cultural globalism and the siren song of the West's central banks.



Read the rest at the link. That last sentence is a return to great power politics. I have mentioned that trend often on this forum.

They are correct. But in today's environment, even acknowledging basic facts can be construed by some as "pro-Russian" or "anti-American".

If Putin says two plus two equals four and you agree with him, suddenly you're a Russian puppet or something.

Anyway, US hyper-dominance in the aftermath of WWII was a historical anomaly. The natural order favors a more decentralized arrangement. The neocons who sit atop the crumbling US empire are thrashing desperately in an attempt to maintain their position. It would be amusing to watch them thrash about if only they didn't have access to nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction. The temper tantrum of neocons resisting the inevitable is endangering the entire planet. Thankfully, the Russian and Chinese leadership seem more than capable of providing a rational balance to neocon lunacy. Let's just hope the neocons don't vindictively blow up the entire planet in the meantime.

[countryboy]

Yeah, damn those liberals for making people racist and intolerant.

Both sides share the blame when it comes to division. It's pretty far fetched to claim liberals are solely to blame for the political and cultural divide. It's even more ludicrous to suggest that it's intentional.

Bull$#@!. Libs constantly see racism where none exists. The slur is used willy nilly to paint any and all political opponents as "RRRRRRRACISSSSSS". Gimme a break. Also, referring to EVERY Trump supporter as a Nazi? Its ridiculous.

[Ethereal]

It seemed like the world was safer then.

The world was almost destroyed by nuclear weapons on more than one occasion.

You knew who your friends and enemies were -- and your enemies had an interest in you feeling comfortable and content. The free-for-all isn't good geopolitically.

A multipolar order doesn't necessarily entail a free-for-all. It could just easily portend peace and stability. But that all depends on how the US chooses to manage the transition. Will it accept the inevitable and respond calmly and rationally? Or will it go into denial and resist all progress?

[jet57]

Did you miss it?

I think you did:

[roadmaster]

Both sides want a war with someone. If it's not the D's against Russia, it's the R's against Iran. People won't be happy until body bags start coming home again.

[Peter1469]

I think you did:

I have not missed anything. You are arguing with yourself.