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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    I disagree. As I mentioned, Reagan did a lot of things and supported a lot of positions that would now be called liberal. Particularly when it came to the environment, guns and government spending.
    Disagree all you want. Presidents try to be all things to all people and will always have at least 50 percent of the country against him on some position. No one agrees 100% with anyone else. You must look at his over all performance and I don't see how you can call him socialist by that criteria. .
    Last edited by nathanbforrest45; 04-15-2019 at 08:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    I disagree. As I mentioned, Reagan did a lot of things and supported a lot of positions that would now be called liberal. Particularly when it came to the environment, guns and government spending.
    A single man is not evidence to support your claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fbond02 View Post
    Reagan’s endorsement of a balanced budget is funny in light of the deficits his administration ran up. Carter was more of a budget hawk than Reagan.

    Still, he was a great President.
    Most Republican Governments have run up deficits. Maybe it's all that lowering of taxes and increased military or related spending that's to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Most Republican Governments have run up deficits. Maybe it's all that lowering of taxes and increased military or related spending that's to blame.
    If things were only so simple as you make them! Alas, history is messy:



    There's a steady rise from Reagan through Bush into Clinton followed by a plateau under a Republican Congress. The deficit starts rising under Bush and skyrockets under a Democratic Congress into Obama's years and, off that chart, levels again under a Republican Congress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    If things were only so simple as you make them! Alas, history is messy:



    There's a steady rise from Reagan through Bush into Clinton followed by a plateau under a Republican Congress. The deficit starts rising under Bush and skyrockets under a Democratic Congress into Obama's years and, off that chart, levels again under a Republican Congress.
    The entire bailout budget was set by the outgoing Bush government. Greater Democrat spending was generally associated with inherited economic reversals, followed by the creation of surpluses which the Reps spent like drunken sailors on shore leave. I'm not seeing any Republican fiscal restraint in this government. Your chart stops short of the manic Trump deficit spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Reagan never had a congress which wanted to balance a budget. You do do know that a budget is a congressional responsibility, right?


    Sheesh.

    He signed the budgets into law. Without his signature, congressional desires mean zilch.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The entire bailout budget was set by the outgoing Bush government. Greater Democrat spending was generally associated with inherited economic reversals, followed by the creation of surpluses which the Reps spent like drunken sailors on shore leave. I'm not seeing any Republican fiscal restraint in this government. Your chart stops short of the manic Trump deficit spending.

    The bailout was decided by these people:



    Republicans are big spenders as well just not as bad as Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fbond02 View Post
    He signed the budgets into law. Without his signature, congressional desires mean zilch.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
    He was NOT a good president! Far from it! You REthugs built him up with the FALSE REAGAN MYTHOLOGY bought into by dullards and lo-info suckers.

    And now you are doing the same thing with Trump! Jesus, the IDIOCY is just too much to take!
    I think we do a reasonably good job dealing with your idiocy.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Jim View Post
    He was head and shoulders over this punk in office now. I voted for him both as Governor and President back when I was in my native state, California. He wasn't anti-American.
    When did you first notice you had become anti-American?
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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