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Thread: Notre Dame rebuild - thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    "The government can do as it pleases though public opinion might restrain it."

    The government is not collecting the money, thus has no ability to decide how it is used.
    The government owns it so I guess they do.
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    Post Notre-Dame and the Paradoxes of Historical Preservation

    Notre-Dame and the Paradoxes of Historical Preservation. How Notre-Dame is rebuilt and reëestablished in a finished state will speak to the particular dilemmas and duties of architecture, which for better or for worse has the seeming power—perhaps alone among the arts, perhaps uniquely in human endeavor—to give you the past you wish you had.

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    The rebuilding needs to be done by Christians/Catholics. There are no dilemmas unless the rebuilding is done by atheists or non believers. And I sure as hell would not let an ISIS sympathizer or Muslim Brotherhood person anywhere near it's rebuilding.



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    Notre-Dame and the Paradoxes of Historical Preservation. How Notre-Dame is rebuilt and reëestablished in a finished state will speak to the particular dilemmas and duties of architecture, which for better or for worse has the seeming power—perhaps alone among the arts, perhaps uniquely in human endeavor—to give you the past you wish you had.

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    Update: France says Notre Dame must be restored exactly as it was.

    I was wrong; I predicted they were secularize it.

    otre Dame must be restored to exactly the way it was before a fire devastated the landmark, the French Senate said on Monday.
    Rebuilding the cathedral, which was damaged in a massive fire on April 15, has caused tension between traditionalists and those who see this as an opportunity to construct a new cathedral. Paris's Socialist mayor Anne Hidalgo has said she is in favor of an identical restoration, while Prime Minister Edouard Philippe has expressed interest in a more modern approach.


    The move to restore the landmark to its "last known visual state" is an attempt to stop a modern makeover. Last month, Philippe announced an international architects' competition to rebuild, and perhaps refashion, the fallen spire, which was added during a 19th-century renovation of the 850-year-old cathedral. It was nearly 300 feet tall and made of wood and lead.
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    Maybe the cathedral is better left in ruins as a reminder of a time that lacked faith in God. That could be a much more powerful statement than athiests profiting from rebuilding a temple they despise. A false idol if you will.

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    Update: First mass since the fire will be held at Notre-Dame .

    The mass -- led by Archbishop of Paris Michel Aupetit -- will be celebrated on a very small scale late Saturday, the diocese said.It will take place in a "side chapel with a restricted number of people, for obvious security reasons," it said.


    Just 20 people are expected to take part, including priests and canons from the cathedral.


    The event will be broadcast live by a French television channel so that Christians from all over France can participate, the diocese added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Update: First mass since the fire will be held at Notre-Dame .










    It's a start.

    I do a lot of construction defect litigation. A lot of fire litigation. I am really curious about the re-build on a micro-level.
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    I have been inside twice. It is an amazing place.
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    Archaeology in the Ashes of Notre Dame

    The night of April 15, 2019, brought unimaginable tragedy to Paris’ iconic medieval Catholic cathedral. I was on the metro at the time, when I got a phone call from a colleague: “Notre Dame is burning.” When the train crossed the Seine a few minutes later, I saw it with my own eyes, from a distance, helpless. The fire caused the cathedral spire to collapse, most of the roof was destroyed, and its upper walls were severely damaged.

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    Working on Notre Dame was obvious for me from that moment. As a medieval archaeologist and historian, I have worked for 20 years studying Gothic constructions. I knew that although the upper parts of the cathedral had burnt, there was still much more to lose if we, scientists, did not step in. The day after the fire, a few colleagues and I decided to create an association to collect and preserve any and all information that we could. Our movement gathered more than 200 scientists in a couple of weeks, all willing to serve Notre Dame.


    Meanwhile, the Regional Archaeological Department had the remnants of the burnt framework, roof, and spire recognized as archaeological remains and organized an archaeological excavation with the help of the Laboratoire de Recherche des Monuments Historiques (LRMH). Research could begin.


    It was not long before the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) and the Ministry of Culture decided to organize and fund this research in close interaction with the architects and the public contracting authority. Several dedicated working groups were set up on “Stone,” “Wood,” “Glass,” “Metal,” “Structure,” “Heritage Emotions,” “Acoustics,” and “Digital Data.” Due to my experience in the use of metals in Gothic churches (I wrote my doctoral dissertation on the subject), I was asked to gather and coordinate the metal group, currently counting about 15 members from different institutions.


    Ironically, it is actually far easier for us archaeologists to investigate the monument now than it was before the fire. Although the fire released a lot of lead, making it necessary for researchers to don protective clothing and abide by procedures to avoid lead toxicity, we no longer face the obstacles presented by floods of tourists on the site, and materials damaged by the fire are now more available for analysis. Together, we have learned a lot about the building, its materials, and the possibilities for reconstruction.

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