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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    LOL what is it with sex and sexual orientation that so bemuses the conservative and so called freedom loving libertarians? They are like immature children who can't face the complexity of life in the real world. I used to take my granddaughter into the men's room as can you imagine the screams had I entered the women's room. The conservatives would get their panties in a bunch for sure. For sure the person peeing or pooping in the next stall is one step closer to the end of civilization. I'm glad to see some bathrooms are co-ed as my wife and i often go in together, keep it simple. This stuff makes me laugh and joke. Of all of all the issues and real problems in the world, the simple minded worry that a gay person serves them. Bet it has happened lots children and you're still a macho man. LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Soooo, a Christian book store has to hire the lisping, pink haired effeminate gay guy with the pierced nipples? Isn't THAT special. How about NO.
    Standards of dress and grooming, even things like sex and religion, are, in some circumstances, legally acceptable grounds for an employer to pass over a job candidate. They are known as bona fide occupational qualifications. Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_f..._qualification

    In the case you create here, the public image that the Christian bookstore wishes to maintain would probably conflict with the pink hair, but as for the "pierced nipples" - as others have asked, who would know except in the unlikely event that the store permitted its employees to go topless? As for the perceived effeminacy and the lisp, I'm sure that most of us have known heterosexual men who displayed those characteristics; that a man seems to fit that old stereotype is no sure indicator.

    I would think that a BOQ in your scenario might be knowledge of Christian literature, perhaps the Bible in particular. As I noted before, a conservative (in the true sense) approach to dress and grooming might pass inspection, so long as other employees were held to the same standard. So long as those legitimate and legally defensible standards were met, however, it would not be acceptable to reject a job candidate because he was gay - simply because sexual orientation is not a BOQ of working in a bookstore, Christian or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    LOL what is it with sex and sexual orientation that so bemuses the conservative and so called freedom loving libertarians? They are like immature children who can't face the complexity of life in the real world. I used to take my granddaughter into the men's room as can you imagine the screams had I entered the women's room. The conservatives would get their panties in a bunch for sure. For sure the person peeing or pooping in the next stall is one step closer to the end of civilization. I'm glad to see some bathrooms are co-ed as my wife and i often go in together, keep it simple. This stuff makes me laugh and joke. Of all of all the issues and real problems in the world, the simple minded worry that a gay person serves them. Bet it has happened lots children and you're still a macho man. LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Standards of dress and grooming, even things like sex and religion, are, in some circumstances, legally acceptable grounds for an employer to pass over a job candidate. They are known as bona fide occupational qualifications. Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_f..._qualification

    In the case you create here, the public image that the Christian bookstore wishes to maintain would probably conflict with the pink hair, but as for the "pierced nipples" - as others have asked, who would know except in the unlikely event that the store permitted its employees to go topless? As for the perceived effeminacy and the lisp, I'm sure that most of us have known heterosexual men who displayed those characteristics; that a man seems to fit that old stereotype is no sure indicator.

    I would think that a BOQ in your scenario might be knowledge of Christian literature, perhaps the Bible in particular. As I noted before, a conservative (in the true sense) approach to dress and grooming might pass inspection, so long as other employees were held to the same standard. So long as those legitimate and legally defensible standards were met, however, it would not be acceptable to reject a job candidate because he was gay - simply because sexual orientation is not a BOQ of working in a bookstore, Christian or otherwise.
    So, freedom of religion is out the window? I realize my example was kind of lame, but I was merely trying to make a point by using a little bit of absurdity. Really, any religious organization shouldn't have to violate the tenets of their belief system, which is supposed to be protected by the First Amendment, by having employees who do not conform to those tenets. If we force them to do so, there is no longer a First Amendment.

    You do raise some valid points. But the trouble with any of your scenarios is, while the prospective employer may be legally justified in their hiring practices, how much undue burden is going to be placed upon them, fighting this stuff in court? This is simply another form of persecution. For the left, winning is never enough, they often seek to punish those who disagree with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    So, freedom of religion is out the window? I realize my example was kind of lame, but I was merely trying to make a point by using a little bit of absurdity. Really, any religious organization shouldn't have to violate the tenets of their belief system, which is supposed to be protected by the First Amendment, by having employees who do not conform to those tenets. If we force them to do so, there is no longer a First Amendment.

    You do raise some valid points. But the trouble with any of your scenarios is, while the prospective employer may be legally justified in their hiring practices, how much undue burden is going to be placed upon them, fighting this stuff in court? This is simply another form of persecution. For the left, winning is never enough, they often seek to punish those who disagree with them.
    What you are trying to do is throw freedom from religion out the window.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    What you are trying to do is throw freedom from religion out the window.
    Why should anyone be subjected to a religious purity check to become employed?
    Your comment makes no sense.
    Cutesy Time is OVER

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    Quote Originally Posted by BenjaminO View Post
    What you are trying to do is throw freedom from religion out the window.
    Why should anyone be subjected to a religious purity check to become employed?

    What is freedom from religion? We enjoy freedom of religion, not freedom from it.

    Why should anyone be subjected to a religious purity check to become employed?
    Clarence Thomas Speaks Out on Amy Coney Barrett, ‘Dogma’ Charge argues the correct perspective here, that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

    That applies to restrictions on the government, not the people in their lives, work, business--or should not but for liberal expansion of the power of the government over us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Standards of dress and grooming, even things like sex and religion, are, in some circumstances, legally acceptable grounds for an employer to pass over a job candidate. They are known as bona fide occupational qualifications. Read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bona_f..._qualification

    In the case you create here, the public image that the Christian bookstore wishes to maintain would probably conflict with the pink hair, but as for the "pierced nipples" - as others have asked, who would know except in the unlikely event that the store permitted its employees to go topless? As for the perceived effeminacy and the lisp, I'm sure that most of us have known heterosexual men who displayed those characteristics; that a man seems to fit that old stereotype is no sure indicator.

    I would think that a BOQ in your scenario might be knowledge of Christian literature, perhaps the Bible in particular. As I noted before, a conservative (in the true sense) approach to dress and grooming might pass inspection, so long as other employees were held to the same standard. So long as those legitimate and legally defensible standards were met, however, it would not be acceptable to reject a job candidate because he was gay - simply because sexual orientation is not a BOQ of working in a bookstore, Christian or otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    What is freedom from religion? We enjoy freedom of religion, not freedom from it.



    Clarence Thomas Speaks Out on Amy Coney Barrett, ‘Dogma’ Charge argues the correct perspective here, that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

    That applies to restrictions on the government, not the people in their lives, work, business--or should not but for liberal expansion of the power of the government over us.
    Now that was a telling Freudian slip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    What is freedom from religion? We enjoy freedom of religion, not freedom from it.



    Clarence Thomas Speaks Out on Amy Coney Barrett, ‘Dogma’ Charge argues the correct perspective here, that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

    That applies to restrictions on the government, not the people in their lives, work, business--or should not but for liberal expansion of the power of the government over us.
    Freedom from religion...The right to choose a religion (or no religion) without interference by the government.

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