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    Quote Originally Posted by bladimz View Post
    Ok. Actually i can and will always defend a mother who has to make that difficult decision. If you want to use violent imagery, so be it. But remember, you're the one who said "Bush". Not me.
    Well you were implying Bush because after 4 years of Obongos destruction and four more years all you people have is to blame Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladimz View Post
    Ok. Actually i can and will always defend a mother who has to make that difficult decision. If you want to use violent imagery, so be it. But remember, you're the one who said "Bush". Not me.
    Well you were implying Bush because after 4 years of Obongos destruction and four more years all you people have is to blame Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Green View Post
    Abortion is murder and providers along with mother's should be put in prison. What kind of mother would savagely murder her own child?
    A desperate one.

    Why don't you go stand our front of a Planned Parenthood and throw some chicken blood at some women. I'm sure you'll feel much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    A desperate one.

    Why don't you go stand our front of a Planned Parenthood and throw some chicken blood at some women. I'm sure you'll feel much better.
    Desperation is no excuse for failing to take personal responsibility as for chicken blood I won't even dignify that with an answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladimz View Post
    Not picking on you ocean, but i need to say that on the one hand you say that the baby has the same right to live as the mother. On the other hand, you say that abortion should be allowable if the child (fetus) is so deformed or sickly that it cannot....support for the rest of its' life. Saying so, you've just placed conditions on the right to life of that baby.

    I agree with you, and you're right; it's a very hard topic for many. But the one stance i have absolutely no time for is the one that says, "No abortion. None. Never, Ever, Ever".
    It's OK, Blad, I know you're not picking on me....I appreciate the opportunity to explain my statement a little more.

    This is why I said this was a tough and convoluted subject for me, because euthanasia comes into play sometimes, and I DO support voluntary euthanasia (or a decision being made by loved ones for those incapable of rational thought). If a baby is determined to be so deformed or sickly that it cannot survive on its own and will be on a table, hooked up to machines for its entire life (however long that is) and require massive finanacial support and around the clock caregivers....with virtually no quality of life, then it's kindest not to let it be born. Yes, I have placed conditions, in that kind of scenario, on a life....but that's how I feel about it.

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    I voted other.

    It is a monumental issue; one that is likely greater than us as a people. I want it decided at the local level.

    I don't have the wisdom to proclaim what 350M people do over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Similar to Mister D. I think it's a complicated issue. There are moral problems with both positions imo, but I think that in cases where a woman's life is threatened she should have access to an abortion. If that's the only time an abortion is legal, that opens a number of problems with prices and incentives (doctors may have an incentive to claim a woman's life is threatened when it's not). Also it will be difficult for clinics to stay open if the law prohibits most women from having an abortion, so there would be a short labor supply for doctors who specialize in abortions.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm sympathetic to the idea that one should take responsibility for their actions. Getting pregnant, except when there is a rape, is something that should only happen when a person is ready to be responsible for the child. Unfortunately that's often not the case, so I think it's better off being legal until some arbitrary legal cut off point during the pregnancy.
    I have dysgenic concerns. I find the "my body" mantra empty and insipid as most of the ideas inspired by feminism tend to be. What I find problematic is the higher fertility of the lower classes. That makes it a complicated issue for me.

    If a woman's life is in danger than I would support ending the pregnancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    A desperate one. Why don't you go stand our front of a Planned Parenthood and throw some chicken blood at some women. I'm sure you'll feel much better.
    Please explain the chicken blood?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    I have dysgenic concerns. I find the "my body" mantra empty and insipid as most of the ideas inspired by feminism tend to be. What I find problematic is the higher fertility of the lower classes. That makes it a complicated issue for me.

    If a woman's life is in danger than I would support ending the pregnancy.
    Right, I meant similar since I was ambivalent and that I was sympathetic to the pro life position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kathaariancode View Post
    Right, I meant similar since I was ambivalent and that I was sympathetic to the pro life position.
    I sometimes wonder where I might be intellectually were it not for the influence of Christianity in my life. Not a good place I reckon.
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