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Thread: If you could direct evolution or the development of creation what would you direct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    It's a philosophical question Chris. But non fundamentalist religions might disagree with you. Believing that a Supreme being creates via evolution.
    Then it's not evolution, not mutation, selection or replication. Perhaps God designed it so but we cannot.
    Edmund Burke: "In vain you tell me that Artificial Government is good, but that I fall out only with the Abuse. The Thing! the Thing itself is the Abuse!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Humans aren't going to get better. Whatever we do, it won't ever be for the greater good. If the planet starts to be uninhabitable, we will all die. The planet has more people each year but sustainable resources might not be able to keep up. The poor countries go first.

    The green people won't live any longer than anyone else.

    "Only the Strong Survive"- Jerry Butler.

    It's probably not an all or nothing situation. If need outstripped food and water badly enough to cause a die off it would probably only be partial. It might collapse culture and technology to some point though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Then it's not evolution, not mutation, selection or replication. Perhaps God designed it so but we cannot.
    Again, I don't think anyone answering thought that they really had such power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Again, I don't think anyone answering thought that they really had such power.
    Liberal from the Enlightenment on do think that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Or put another way where do you envision progression from here? I for one believe, even hope that present day humans are not the end product of creation or evolution, this post is probably for people who accept that possibility.
    So what might be next. It seems to me that we are , as a species, more violent, petty, controlling and greedy than we now need to be. Instincts and drives required to survive which we still need, but at a much lower level that even 10,000 years ago. In short, like with our diets, culture and the soft life , change far faster than our genes and base drives do.
    So what might be next? Does the nature of the creature matter? I once suggested that "the meek shall inherent the earth" might mean the insects. But of course they are anything by meek.
    Are we "it"? Will a better us develop? Does it even matter how violent we are , or what conditions we live under as long as the species survives? Could we be thrown back to the stone age by our own hand or $#@!yness? Might we survive another 1,000 years and disperse tot he stars forming unique cultures on every planet we colonized? Will we be a globally orgainzed animal by then ( it certainly looks like the direction we are heading) or allowed to be more localist by more peace and better technology.?
    Will the chimps, the Dolphins, The Whales, or other current creatures gat a crack at world dominance?
    Thoughts?
    I think that humanity was the focus of the statement. Those who live by the sword an act as predators upon the earth will ultimately perish and those who learn to leave in peace shall inherit the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I think that humanity was the focus of the statement. Those who live by the sword an act as predators upon the earth will ultimately perish and those who learn to leave in peace shall inherit the earth.
    Why do you believe this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Again, I don't think anyone answering thought that they really had such power.
    All the great ideologies of the 19th and 20th Centuries are premised on just such a belief.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Why do you believe this?
    There is a certain logic to it.
    "The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    There is a certain logic to it.
    There is a certain logic to believing the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    There is a certain logic to believing the opposite.
    Not to me. Violence simply begets more violence. It destroys and causes people to want vengence, thus more violence until all there is, is violence for its own sake. It must eventually consume itself, like a fire with nothing left to burn.
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