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    I think lesbians have to at least consider what Buttigieg brings to the table as a gay man, which could potentially open doors for lesbians, but I think that's just one of many considerations, and I tend to think one-issue voters sometimes get behind a candidate that isn't great in other areas. Case in point -- pro-life voters. They see being anti-abortion as a "defining issue," so they tend to get behind less-than-savory candidates because they don't consider the person's agenda in other areas.

    So yeah, I can see lesbians and all LBGT voters taking a look at Buttigieg, but I hope they vote for the candidate who best represents their interests in many areas.

    As for me, a straight, slightly conservative women -- Buttigieg grates on my nerves by playing the religion card. I don't care for people who do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    again with the identity politics. Why?
    Politicians have been engaging in "identity politics" since the dawn of time. Class, race, occupation, veteran status...those are all "identities" to be exploited, and they do - either overtly or more subtly. People who complain about "identity politics" are usually doing so while citing examples of it that are not directed at them, and with which they do not identify.

    That said, where any special interest group focused on a particular issue needs to come back to reality is that while a particular candidate may very well reflect its own views to a greater degree than any other candidate, he or she may not have a snowball's chance in Hell of actually being elected...which is kind of the point. Winning a nomination, let alone an election, is a fine balancing act; your candidate has to appeal to more voters than he or she scares to death or disgusts. (And as we re-learned in 2016, in the case of Presidential elections, those voters have to come from particular states.)

    Given the current national climate, in terms of attitude and a belief in stereotypes - not to mention the conservative religionists and societal traditionalists - I don't believe America is prepared to elect any gay or lesbian candidate to a national office. You know as well as I do that his or her opposition in the general election would subtly - well, or not so subtly...you have to keep in mind who the opposition would likely be - exploit the "identity" of heterosexuality to the fullest extent possible in mobilizing voters.
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    I think it's logical for one to vote in their best interests. Voting for someone who shares a sexual characteristic and nothing else seems silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Politicians have been engaging in "identity politics" since the dawn of time. Class, race, occupation, veteran status...those are all "identities" to be exploited, and they do - either overtly or more subtly. People who complain about "identity politics" are usually doing so while citing examples of it that are not directed at them, and with which they do not identify.

    That said, where any special interest group focused on a particular issue needs to come back to reality is that while a particular candidate may very well reflect its own views to a greater degree than any other candidate, he or she may not have a snowball's chance in Hell of actually being elected...which is kind of the point. Winning a nomination, let alone an election, is a fine balancing act; your candidate has to appeal to more voters than he or she scares to death or disgusts. (And as we re-learned in 2016, in the case of Presidential elections, those voters have to come from particular states.)

    Given the current national climate, in terms of attitude and a belief in stereotypes - not to mention the conservative religionists and societal traditionalists - I don't believe America is prepared to elect any gay or lesbian candidate to a national office. You know as well as I do that his or her opposition in the general election would subtly - well, or not so subtly...you have to keep in mind who the opposition would likely be - exploit the "identity" of heterosexuality to the fullest extent possible in mobilizing voters.
    I find that one of the things many people like to do with their votes is defy expectations. I mean what you're saying about the impossibility of a gay man being elected president in 2020 is exactly what many were saying about the possibility of America electing a black man in 2008. And for that matter it's what was broadly said about Trump in 2016 as well. The American public likes proving the punditry wrong about them, in my experience and observation. To that end, in my personal opinion, Pete Buttigieg is among the most likely candidates to win this election in reality. That's much of why I keep focusing on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I find that one of the things many people like to do with their votes is defy expectations. I mean what you're saying about the impossibility of a gay man being elected president in 2020 is exactly what many were saying about the possibility of America electing a black man in 2008. And for that matter it's what was broadly said about Trump in 2016 as well. The American public likes proving the punditry wrong about them, in my experience and observation. To that end, in my personal opinion, Pete Buttigieg is among the most likely candidates to win this election in reality. That's much of why I keep focusing on him.
    I don't think the situation in 2008 is that comparable. A Black candidate, in pretty much any part of the country, however many White racists live there, is going to do better than a gay one. It took almost a half a century after the Loving decision before same-sex marriage became the law of the land; that should tell you something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I don't think the situation in 2008 is that comparable. A Black candidate, in pretty much any part of the country, however many White racists live there, is going to do better than a gay one. It took almost a half a century after the Loving decision before same-sex marriage became the law of the land; that should tell you something.
    Public opinion has moved rapidly though over the last decade on same-sex relationships to such an extent that the situation is now actually comparable in terms of where public opinion is now (for white men who are gay anyway) and where it could go in another year and a half's time, I believe.

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    It doesn't matter. He won't be nominated. Check back if he is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    Politicians have been engaging in "identity politics" since the dawn of time. Class, race, occupation, veteran status...those are all "identities" to be exploited, and they do - either overtly or more subtly. People who complain about "identity politics" are usually doing so while citing examples of it that are not directed at them, and with which they do not identify.

    That said, where any special interest group focused on a particular issue needs to come back to reality is that while a particular candidate may very well reflect its own views to a greater degree than any other candidate, he or she may not have a snowball's chance in Hell of actually being elected...which is kind of the point. Winning a nomination, let alone an election, is a fine balancing act; your candidate has to appeal to more voters than he or she scares to death or disgusts. (And as we re-learned in 2016, in the case of Presidential elections, those voters have to come from particular states.)

    Given the current national climate, in terms of attitude and a belief in stereotypes - not to mention the conservative religionists and societal traditionalists - I don't believe America is prepared to elect any gay or lesbian candidate to a national office. You know as well as I do that his or her opposition in the general election would subtly - well, or not so subtly...you have to keep in mind who the opposition would likely be - exploit the "identity" of heterosexuality to the fullest extent possible in mobilizing voters.
    When people like the member you quoted uses the term “identity politics”, it’s not to be confused with the action of actually using identity politics, but those using identity politics that they don’t like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    again with the identity politics. Why?
    Without identity you have no politics. Just human nature.

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    OP, sure, homosexuals love homosexuals. So why not vote what they love?

    Luckily homosexuals still do not make up a big voting block or we would have $#@! presidents back to back.

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