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    Long story short is someone has to pay for it. The taxation to do so would be stifling. The other alternative would be dilution of currency via the printing of additional units of currency. Not good options . There is no other means to finance it
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    I turned 65 while I was hospitalized earlier this year, and my wife quickly got me signed up for Medicare Part B. (I have no idea how many letter divisions there are, but the higher the letter, the more the plan covers. I think you have to have at least Part D to get prescription medicine coverage. And of course the more coverage, the greater the cost.)

    Which is another thing; I had no idea how much it costs just to be registered. I guess I'd assumed that all the money I've paid in while working for the past 47 years would be all I'd have to contribute. Not even. Medicare sends me a bill every quarter for almost $700, regardless of whether or not they've had to pay out a penny in claims. And since I'm still working, with my private insurance in force, Medicare is the secondary payer - meaning that they hardly ever have to pick up much of the tab for anything. Without my private insurance, I'd be at the mercy of government bureaucratic bean counters for everything.

    And they would have to find a way to outlaw private healthcare insurance in order to pressure more working individuals to sign up for Medicare and provide the funding. It doesn't look like a workable or a good plan for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    Most of the Democrat presidential candidates seem to support MEDICARE for all. From what I’ve read it’s more like MEDICAID for all, but that’s another issue.

    How many here think MEDICARE or even MEDICAID for all is feasible? Why is it a good idea or why is it a bad idea? Let’s not focus on the constitutional aspect, but focus on the economic aspects.


    Seeing that more than 70% of Americans get their health care insurance through their employment, are they willing to lose that? After all, those who support MEDICARE for all also call for an end to private insurance options.

    Is this what you want?
    The first problem is the cost. Taxes will have to go up by a couple of hundred percent.

    1. The cost will be higher then we will be told.

    2. The rest have to pay more than they say because not everyone is paying taxes.

    3. They have to fix Medicare as is. How to do both art a cost we can afford?

    3. Who gets the money that companies are paying now and won't for health insurance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    It's weird that most other modern western nations can accomplish this, but the US can't.
    They, and that includes you, depend on our military and you get to use it for medical insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I turned 65 while I was hospitalized earlier this year, and my wife quickly got me signed up for Medicare Part B. (I have no idea how many letter divisions there are, but the higher the letter, the more the plan covers. I think you have to have at least Part D to get prescription medicine coverage. And of course the more coverage, the greater the cost.)

    Which is another thing; I had no idea how much it costs just to be registered. I guess I'd assumed that all the money I've paid in while working for the past 47 years would be all I'd have to contribute. Not even. Medicare sends me a bill every quarter for almost $700, regardless of whether or not they've had to pay out a penny in claims. And since I'm still working, with my private insurance in force, Medicare is the secondary payer - meaning that they hardly ever have to pick up much of the tab for anything. Without my private insurance, I'd be at the mercy of government bureaucratic bean counters for everything.

    And they would have to find a way to outlaw private healthcare insurance in order to pressure more working individuals to sign up for Medicare and provide the funding. It doesn't look like a workable or a good plan for me.
    My wife and I pay 278 dollars a monthly premiums. You pay that no matter if you use it or not.

    Part A is for hospital and and tests. Part B is for Doctors,. They pay 80% .You have a co-pay and a deductible. Part D is for drugs. I don't know how it works because I have an Advantage Plan. I don't know if there is a Part C.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    It's weird that most other modern western nations can accomplish this, but the US can't.
    It's also weird that people from other modern western nations have to come to the US for medical treatment, surgeries, and other healthcare needs. If the NHS is so great then why didn't Mick Jagger get his heart procedure in the UK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reason3415 View Post
    It's also weird that people from other modern western nations have to come to the US for medical treatment, surgeries, and other healthcare needs. If the NHS is so great then why didn't Mick Jagger get his heart procedure in the UK?
    Rand Paul came to Canada for his hernia surgery.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCat Breath View Post
    You can have medicare for all or open borders. You can't have both.
    We cannot have either one.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    So? That's not an excuse.
    The costs involved with providing quality health care to more than 300 million people is cost prohibitive. The only way it can be done is to deny care to millions of people in order to proved care to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Rand Paul came to Canada for his hernia surgery.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...gery-in-canada
    Hope he didn't have to wait too long.

    http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/ca...357/story.html

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