Trees of old

[Just AnotherPerson]

I talked about this in a thread yesterday. It is a good topic so I thought I would start a thread on it. The trees that we used to have on this planet were something amazing they were bigger than we can imagine. Think Redwoods. We decimated them during our industrial revolution. Now all we have are smaller trees.

It is a great loss. People of today dont even know what one of those trees looked like. They are lost to history. Some trees were up to 20 ft in diamater. We cant even imagine that today. That is as wide as a living room, or two, depending on the size of your home.

The thing is that we dont even know that we are missing out on something because we havent had those trees in our lifetime. But we are missing something. I imagine there could be a future where even the trees we have now are something that people may not know ever existed. The trees we have now are the size of saplings in comparison to the trees of old. The trees of old were a marvel.

One record breaking find was an old cedar that was near 24 foot around and 227 foot tall with a canopy that spread 49 feet. that is amazing. http://www.thedailyworld.com/life/th...ult-big-cedar/

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[Just AnotherPerson]

Here is a good comparrison. you can see the size of the old tree stump and the size of the trees now. There is no comparrison. And this is probably a smaller tree.

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[Just AnotherPerson]

There are a few of these big trees left in the world but not many. They are the last standing symbols of what we once had. Here is a huge one in California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Sherman_(tree) But it is said that many of these old trees are dying from drought and disease. Who knows how much longer we will have these icons of the past.

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Height above base[1]	274.9 ft	83.8 m
Circumference at ground[1]	102.6 ft	31.3 m
Maximum diameter at base[1]	36.5 ft	11.1 m
Diameter 4.50 ft (1.37 m) above height point on ground[11]	25.1 ft	7.7 m
Girth Diameter 60 ft (18 m) above base[1]	17.5 ft	5.3 m
Diameter 180 ft (55 m) above base[1]	14.0 ft	4.3 m
Diameter of largest branch[1]	6.8 ft	2.1 m
Height of first large branch above the base[1]	130.0 ft	39.6 m
Average crown spread[1]	106.5 ft	32.5 m
Estimated bole volume[11]	52,508 cu ft	1,487 m3
Estimated mass (wet) (1938)[12]	2,105 short tons	1,910 t
Estimated bole mass (1938)[12]	2,472,000 lb	1,121 t

[donttread]

There are a few of these big trees left in the world but not many. They are the last standing symbols of what we once had. Here is a huge one in California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Sherman_(tree) But it is said that many of these old trees are dying from drought and disease. Who knows how much longer we will have these icons of the past.

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Height above base[1]	274.9 ft	83.8 m
Circumference at ground[1]	102.6 ft	31.3 m
Maximum diameter at base[1]	36.5 ft	11.1 m
Diameter 4.50 ft (1.37 m) above height point on ground[11]	25.1 ft	7.7 m
Girth Diameter 60 ft (18 m) above base[1]	17.5 ft	5.3 m
Diameter 180 ft (55 m) above base[1]	14.0 ft	4.3 m
Diameter of largest branch[1]	6.8 ft	2.1 m
Height of first large branch above the base[1]	130.0 ft	39.6 m
Average crown spread[1]	106.5 ft	32.5 m
Estimated bole volume[11]	52,508 cu ft	1,487 m3
Estimated mass (wet) (1938)[12]	2,105 short tons	1,910 t
Estimated bole mass (1938)[12]	2,472,000 lb	1,121 t

Wow. I've seen "virgin" white pines that I thought were huge but they are nothing like this.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Wow. I've seen "virgin" white pines that I thought were huge but they are nothing like this.

It is amazing right!?

[Just AnotherPerson]

Our trees are dying



Here is an article titled, Why trees are dying all over the world. http://www.fasttreeremovalatlanta.co...over-the-world In this article it explains how when we are in a drought trees go into carbon starvation, they cease carbon dioxide absorption.

Large old trees are dying all over the world. https://www.declineoftheempire.com/2...the-world.html

Why trees are dying all over the world https://fasttreeremovalservicesatlan...ver-the-world/

Biological annihilation https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/12...-in-loss-mode/

[FindersKeepers]

They're protected now - the big ones, such as the ones I saw when we visited Redwood National Forest - the ones being used for lumber are from a smaller, faster-growing variety of redwood, and reforesting is taking place, too. The big ones we have left, and I agree, we need to have some, will continue to grow, and smaller ones of the same species will as well. Sequoias are awfully large, too.

[Mini Me]

I have seen all these big trees! I lived in a Redwood forest in Felton, CA for years,and Ben Lomond.They are awesome!
But there are a few negatives here about the Redwood forest;

You never get to see the sun, even in summer, and there are these giant Redwood Spiders that inhabit them! They drop down on you and leave blood, even tho you don't feel the bite. And they are in the coastal fog belt.But there is rarely any summer heat wave, which is good.Oh, and you get a constant tree drip during the winter rains which lasts a long time. But, all in all, they are a big plus!

Now I live in a mobile home park at 2000' elevation in the Sierra foothills. We have giant Ponderosa pines, Cedars and marvelous spreading Oaks. But the fire danger is very real during our bone dry summers, and in winter those big trees can blow down.

The fate of the Paradise fire is very much on our minds!

[Just AnotherPerson]

I have seen all these big trees! I lived in a Redwood forest in Felton, CA for years,and Ben Lomond.They are awesome!
But there are a few negatives here about the Redwood forest;

You never get to see the sun, even in summer, and there are these giant Redwood Spiders that inhabit them! They drop down on you and leave blood, even tho you don't feel the bite. And they are in the coastal fog belt.But there is rarely any summer heat wave, which is good.Oh, and you get a constant tree drip during the winter rains which lasts a long time. But, all in all, they are a big plus!

Now I live in a mobile home park at 2000' elevation in the Sierra foothills. We have giant Ponderosa pines, Cedars and marvelous spreading Oaks. But the fire danger is very real during our bone dry summers, and in winter those big trees can blow down.

The fate of the Paradise fire is very much on our minds!

I would love to see the redwoods one day. That is an amazing elevation you live at, wow. That sounds awesome, except maybe those spiders though....eeeee….. :) Well I hadn't thought about not getting sun. I guess that could be a drawback. Where I live now I don't get to see sunsets. The trees block them out. Back when I lived in the tricities the sunsets were magnificent. The sky was so open. The skies would be blazing orange. The sunsets were different every day, some looked like fire, some were purple. Just so beautiful. But where I live now away from the city lights the stars are amazing. That is one drawback of the city is the star light is drowned out by the city lights. Here are some sunset pics from the tricities so you can see what I mean. Hanford sunsets don't play! LoL.

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[Mini Me]

I would love to see the redwoods one day. That is an amazing elevation you live at, wow. That sounds awesome, except maybe those spiders though....eeeee….. Well I hadn't thought about not getting sun. I guess that could be a drawback. Where I live now I don't get to see sunsets. The trees block them out. Back when I lived in the tricities the sunsets were magnificent. The sky was so open. The skies would be blazing orange. The sunsets were different every day, some looked like fire, some were purple. Just so beautiful. But where I live now away from the city lights the stars are amazing. That is one drawback of the city is the star light is drowned out by the city lights. Here are some sunset pics from the tricities so you can see what I mean. Hanford sunsets don't play! LoL.

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I remember the NUCLEAR sunsets over Phoenix AZ when I was a kid in the 50's! They were stupendous!