Missouri Senate Passes Bill That Would Ban Abortions After 8 Weeks

[DGUtley]

So let's say you have a daughter, Let's say she gets raped by an illegal alien. Would you force her to go to term with a pregnancy? Would you be against here taking a morning after pill? How can you be protective of unborn children's rights but care nothing about the rights of children who are already born, if they are a Muslim, or an Arab, or a Mexican? Or a baby in the middle east dying from the bombs you promote? This is not a pro-abortion argument I am making, but one of sheer hypocrisy!

Nobody said we didn’t care. Everybody cares; or, mostly everybody cares. That doesn’t mean take them all in to the detriment of our children and against our laws. We continually give hundreds of millions of dollars to help the worlds poor and take in a million plus a year. This also doesn’t mean letting them be used as pawns by our enemies.

[Standing Wolf]

There is no Left or Right on many issues. There are simply those intent on forcing others to conform to their personal (or religious) standards of behavior, and on micro-managing others' lives, and those who are not.

[MMC]

There is no Left or Right on many issues. There are simply those intent on forcing others to conform to their personal (or religious) standards of behavior, and on micro-managing others' lives, and those who are not.

And yet there is Left and Right on many many issues Wolf. Look up Dennis Prager he expounds on this heavily nowadays.

[Tahuyaman]

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....but there should be exceptions for rape and incest but 8 weeks might be enough time to deal with that.

I understand the feelings behind that, but how is that child suddenly guilty of something which requires him or her to be killed?

[Chris]

I understand the feelings behind that, but how is that child suddenly guilty of something which requires him or her to be killed?

I can't answer that, you have an innocent girl, a victim or rape and/or incest, and an innocent baby. That's why I say society, the specific society of family, friends, community, etc, need to decide what's best in such situations.

[pjohns]

So let's say you have a daughter, Let's say she gets raped by an illegal alien. Would you force her to go to term with a pregnancy? Would you be against here taking a morning after pill?

How can you be protective of unborn children's rights but care nothing about the rights of children who are already born, if they are a Muslim, or an Arab, or a Mexican? Or a baby in the middle east dying from the bombs you promote?

This is not a pro-abortion argument I am making, but one of sheer hypocrisy!

Even if "hypocrisy" were truly involved here, that does not seriously argue against the point that he is making. It would merely make him an imperfect purveyor of that point.

As for bombs killing innocent children in the Middle East, do you not suppose that innocent children were killed by American bombs during WWII, in Germany and Japan?

Then why would this be any different?

[Sergeant Gleed]

I can't answer that, you have an innocent girl, a victim or rape and/or incest, and an innocent baby. That's why I say society, the specific society of family, friends, community, etc, need to decide what's best in such situations.

The girl ceases to be innocent when she attempts to kill an innocent child.

The child remains innocent because it cannot be guilty of anything.

The guilty party, in the case of rape, is the rapist.

The rapist, HE gets a trial. The baby does not. Why not?

The rapist, HE gets to confront his accusers. The baby does not. Why not?

The rapist, if convicted, gets to keep is miserable life. The baby, who is always innocent, gets murdered. Why is that?

The rapist...may be acquitted, and, if so, has a rape actually occurred, or is the woman lying?

If the woman is lying and the baby is murdered, who should pay for the crime of killing that baby, and what should the penalty be for slaying the innocent? What about slaying the innocent upon false accusation?


What you advocate isn't even as modern as the concept of lex talionis. It predates Hammurabi.

[testsubjectalpha]

Creds to Wolf on this post. Except. There are simply those intent on forcing others to conform to the their personal standards regarding boys and girls sharing bathrooms and locker rooms.
Creds in that Wolf nails the issue, those intent of forcing others to conform. But failure in that Wolf gives no cred to individuals freedom.

There is no Left or Right on many issues. There are simply those intent on forcing others to conform to their personal (or religious) standards of behavior, and on micro-managing others' lives, and those who are not.

[Chris]

The girl ceases to be innocent when she attempts to kill an innocent child.

The child remains innocent because it cannot be guilty of anything.

The guilty party, in the case of rape, is the rapist.

The rapist, HE gets a trial. The baby does not. Why not?

The rapist, HE gets to confront his accusers. The baby does not. Why not?

The rapist, if convicted, gets to keep is miserable life. The baby, who is always innocent, gets murdered. Why is that?

The rapist...may be acquitted, and, if so, has a rape actually occurred, or is the woman lying?

If the woman is lying and the baby is murdered, who should pay for the crime of killing that baby, and what should the penalty be for slaying the innocent? What about slaying the innocent upon false accusation?


What you advocate isn't even as modern as the concept of lex talionis. It predates Hammurabi.

You and your liberal absolutes and universals and abstractions.

You seem to fail to understand I don't see the decision to abort as an individual one but a societal choice. When you actually respond to what I'm saying, I'll respond appropriately to you.

[Captdon]

There is no easy answer to rape, incest(also rape) and health of the mother. It still doesn't make abortion right.