Abortion Responsibility & Hypocricy The most controvercial subject of all

[Dr. Who]

Not that you'd believe it, but, I did work for Planned Parenthood a long time ago and, I did see a couple of women who did use abortions as their birth control.... One, even passed on discussion about various types of birth control methods and stated, " I'll just have another abortion,".

Guess who paid for her 6 abortions? Hint.... she was on Medicaid.

As in anything, there will always be outliers. You can't make the outliers the foundation of your argument. Anyone who doesn't want to be pregnant is not going to voluntarily remain pregnant if they have a choice. The morning after pill is by far the most sane solution. It should be available for free in massive quantities. Assuming that you can affect the sexual behavior of people through religious creed today is a waste of time in terms of public policy. It didn't even work that well in the past but did result in an awful lot of orphanages. Like it or not, unwanted pregnancies are not going to stop happening.

[Common Sense]

If the baby isn't viable, why does the doctor have to kill it? That, would be a miscarriage, not an abortion.

You really don't know, do you, how often partial birth abortions are performed? Who's to say, it's not a lot more than anyone knows? Do you think they publish the numbers?

It's just a matter of what side you come down on, as to what you believe to be the truth.

Babies are sometimes born, but are suffering from severe birth defects or congenital failures that will result in certain death. Rather than allow them to die prolonged deaths, they are euthanized. It's a kindness that is heartbreaking and not taken lightly. We allow our pets to die with dignity and end their suffering, but for some reason humans shouldn't?

They do indeed record and publish the statistics and partial birth abortions account for 0.17% of abortions.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/...ed-states-2000

[Cletus]

Many people who do not believe in abortion, also do not believe in social welfare. They vehemently disagree with programs like free shcool lunch, WIC the program that gives babies milk, and little kids milk, and cereal, and other necessary nutruition. They disagree with programs like food stamps, and medicaid.

The thing is that you would force another person to have a child. You would impose your will on thier bodies and thier lives.

Here is where you screwed up. No one is forcing anyone to have a child. Pregnancy is a natural result of sexual intercourse. Unless the woman was raped, she CHOSE to engage in activities that could lead to pregnancy. No one forced her to do that. She needs to either be willing to accept responsibility for her actions or not engage in them.

[Cotton1]

Oh, come off it! Most of what you say, is bull$#@!, the rest, is trolling..... you're forever trying to get a rise outta people....your rants never change

Fact.....if you get pregnant, it isn't the responsibility of anyone else, to, ' help' you raise the kid.....if you're gonna play, be prepared to pay....if I didn't have a part in the child's creation, I don't want to help support it

If women can't have abortions, for unwanted pregnancies, maybe they'll keep their legs closed.

Bingo. Its not the responsibility of the general public to take care of others snotnoses. Liberals hate accountability.

[Cotton1]

Here is where you screwed up. No one is forcing anyone to have a child. Pregnancy is a natural result of sexual intercourse. Unless the woman was raped, she CHOSE to engage in activities that could lead to pregnancy. No one forced her to do that. She needs to either be willing to accept responsibility for her actions or not engage in them.

Well stated.

[Cotton1]

Babies are sometimes born, but are suffering from severe birth defects or congenital failures that will result in certain death. Rather than allow them to die prolonged deaths, they are euthanized. It's a kindness that is heartbreaking and not taken lightly. We allow our pets to die with dignity and end their suffering, but for some reason humans shouldn't?

They do indeed record and publish the statistics and partial birth abortions account for 0.17% of abortions.

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/...ed-states-2000

If we know for sure the baby will end up a liberal we can raise the abortion age to 14 for all I care. Then we have Mexicans etc that breed like hamsters. After they have 412 kids they start using abortion for birth control. If not they have to buy a second car

[gamewell45]

Not that you'd believe it, but, I did work for Planned Parenthood a long time ago and, I did see a couple of women who did use abortions as their birth control.... One, even passed on discussion about various types of birth control methods and stated, " I'll just have another abortion,".

Guess who paid for her 6 abortions? Hint.... she was on Medicaid.

And if she didn't have those 6 abortions and she & the father of the child refused to take each child home from the hospital, guess who'd be paying for the child's care and supervision? Hint.......the state taxpayers.

[Common Sense]

If we know for sure the baby will end up a liberal we can raise the abortion age to 14 for all I care. Then we have Mexicans etc that breed like hamsters. After they have 412 kids they start using abortion for birth control. If not they have to buy a second car

We can always count on you for a rational and reasonable dialogue.

[Just AnotherPerson]

Sorry, I thought I was responding to JAP..... please excuse.

I never told anyone to, f-off.

First of all Abby this was the first abortion thread I have ever made. Also it has been a very long time since I have made a long OP. Only in the last few days. For months now I have been posting news link threads and that is all. I rarely ever talk about abortion. Only twice have I replied to a post about abortion in the last three years that I have been posting here. And one of them was today in another thread.

There is a reason for this thread. I did not just bring it up out of no where. The reason is that every day I mean every single day someone says I am pro abortion and flips out on me, and they don't even know my stance on it. I purposefully do not engage with them when they talk about it because I don't like the subject, and it is too complicated to explain. I was told no its not, it is yes or no. So here it is by demand, I have taken the time to explain why I see it the way I do and what my views are. It is for the record. I went into deep detail from my own personal experiences and what I said is how I feel, because of the things I have seen in the world through my own experience.

[Just AnotherPerson]

That's why I often refrain from debating abortion. It's always fraught with emotion and hyperbole.

Quite often the arguments against abortion paint the opponents as cartoonish murderous uncaring monsters who want nothing more than to murder babies. To some, pro choice advocates are evil people who take the decisions lightly or even take joy in it. There's also the allegation that proponents have a hidden racist agenda.

It's also often asserted that those who choose to do it are always irresponsible $#@!s who use abortion as a casual method of birth control...the doctors who perform it are getting rich off baby parts. And as you said, the statistically rare late term or live birth abortions are painted as commonplace and not something that is carefully considered and only done in extreme necessity.

Essentially, it's difficult to debate a topic when rational arguments are replaced with accusations of being an evil, racist, child hating proponent of murder.

I agree with you 100%. I don't like to debate the subject on abortion either. This is the first thread I have ever made on the subject. I have only responded twice ever in my three years posting here on abortion because I don't like to debate the subject at all. One of those responses was today in another thread, and now this thread.

But every single day someone is telling me I am a pro abortion baby killer without even knowing my stance, and for a long time now I just keep ignoring them. I told them I cant just give a short answer on it, because it is a very complicated matter. I was told that no it is not, you believe in it or you don't. But it is not like that for me.

So this thread was made to set the record straight. I had to go into detail to make the points understood. I had to use my own personal experiences to show why I see things the way I do. But this is not a subject that one would engage in for fun. It is a tough subject.