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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Other than a few people who were killed in the first day or so what personal horrors?
    I don't know, I'm not watching it......But that's what the Lame Stream is talking about. You know how they are with their reviews.

    Anything that gets them all into their emotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    There’s no doubt that the Chernobyl incident was a nuclear disaster caused by both an inferior design and poor training. That can’t happen here.
    That can't happen here? It's that kind of thinking that leads to disasters.....

    ...let's line all of our planes up out here on the tarmac so we can watch them.... let's line all the battle ships up next to each other nice and tight so we can get to them and they'll be safer... nobody will attack us in Hawaii...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    That can't happen here? It's that kind of thinking that leads to disasters.....

    ...let's line all of our planes up out here on the tarmac so we can watch them.... let's line all the battle ships up next to each other nice and tight so we can get to them and they'll be safer... nobody will attack us in Hawaii...
    We have a far superior design and our reactor operators are well trained and that training is continually reenforced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuyaman View Post
    We have a far superior design and our reactor operators are well trained and that training is continually reenforced.
    I get it. I agree. Anything can happen here. We have to be vigilant.
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    Agree, nuclear is safer these days but in the nature of accidents you can't predict all eventualities, look at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster where a tsunami took out generators used to cool the reactor and it melted down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Agree, nuclear is safer these days but in the nature of accidents you can't predict all eventualities, look at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster where a tsunami took out generators used to cool the reactor and it melted down.
    There were a lot of safety concerns with the Fukushima prior to the earthquake and tsunami. Concerns about both design and location of the plant. Most of those concerns were brought up during the planning phase and they were ignored.

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    This Chernobyl "docudrama" looks like a propaganda piece.

    While there is rough agreement that a total of either 31 or 54 people died from blast trauma or Acute Radiation Syndrome (ARS) as a direct result of the Chernobyl disaster (see § Differing direct, short-term death toll counts),[6][7][8]


    there is considerable debate concerning the accurate number of deaths due to the disaster's long-term health effects, with estimates ranging from 4,000 (per the 2005 and 2006 conclusions of a joint consortium of the
    United Nations and the governments of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia), to no fewer than 93,000 (per the conflicting conclusions of various scientific, health, environmental, and survivors' organizations).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths...nobyl_disaster

    Propaganda.

    the accuracy and precision of this United Nations-led joint group's projected death toll of 4,000 were immediately contested, with several of the very scientists, physicians, and biomedical consortia whose work the joint group had cited alleging publicly that the joint group had either misrepresented their work or interpreted it out of context.

    Projected deaths. Made up.

    Meanwhile, some non-governmental organizations -- disputing the work of both the IAEA and governmental authorities alike -- have projected up to a million excess, cancer-related deaths from the Chernobyl disaster.[24] The Chernobyl Forum, the World Health Organization, and some other international agencies deem such estimates much too large...

    Projected deaths. Made up.

    In 1986 a major industrial accident destroyed a nuclear power plant. About 50 people died. Since then propagandists have made outrageous claims knowing the willing dupes and the gullible would believe them. And here we are thirty years later still projecting up to a million excess deaths from this accident. How long should we wait before those projected, estimated extra deaths occur.
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    The topic was introduced as a gripping dramatization, one mainly about the denial and resistance of the communist bureaucracy to the nature of the problem. It starts off with denial from bottom up that there was a core meltdown, the scientists and engineers said fit couldn't happen, the party leaders want to impress higher ups it was contained. Gorbachev put together a committee that decided it was all nothing till a physicist convinced them it had to be worse because of graphite found scattered around the blast, so Gorby assigned the physicist and a high-ranking official to go see. They decided the core had melted but initially since that was believed impossible, had no way to solve it and preventing worse. The physicist eventually proposed covering the core in borium (?) and sand. A nuclear physicist woman heard and raced to the plant to explain all the water from firefighting had accumulated around the core and the borium and sand would only cause it to heat up to the point it would melt through to the water and set off a huge explosion. So they send some plant engineers to open valves to run off the water--next episode! It's a dramatization of something that was a disaster and could have been much worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    If you have Amazon Prime, check out Chernobyl. It's a gripping dramatization of government bureaucracy in the face of disaster.

    Pretty awesome show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The physicist eventually proposed covering the core in borium (?) and sand.
    Boron. That element has the property of absorbing neutrons well, so it will shut down a fission chain reaction, which depends on plentiful neutrons flying around.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't do anything about the decay radiation of the fission daughter products. That's what keeps making heat weeks and months after the fission has been shut down. Elements like Cs-137 and Sr-90 have half lives of 30 years, and those two elements are mostly what keep radiation high in the Chernobyl area. Isotopes with shorter half lives have decayed away, and isotopes with longer half-lives don't emit much radiation.

    A nuclear physicist woman heard and raced to the plant to explain all the water from firefighting had accumulated around the core and the borium and sand would only cause it to heat up to the point it would melt through to the water and set off a huge explosion.
    They were worried the molten corium (that is a real word, basically meaning "the nuclear crap you get when a reactor melts") would drop into the pool, causing another massive steam explosion.

    So they send some plant engineers to open valves to run off the water--next episode! It's a dramatization of something that was a disaster and could have been much worse.
    IRL, those 3 men went on to live long lives. Two are still alive. Maybe the miniseries will kill them off for dramatic effect, who knows.

    Anyways, some changes at US plants post-Fukushima were:
    a. Hardened vents (with filters), to vent pressure and hydrogen gas and prevent exploding containment buildings.
    b. Extensive spent fuel pool monitoring systems, which send information by wireless, and which have back-up power independent of plant power.
    c. Re-evaluation and mitigation of flood and seismic hazards on a plant-by-plant basis

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