Chernobyl

[Cotton1]

[MMC]

HBO’s ‘Chernobyl’ Drives Home The Deadly Perils Of Statism

HBO’s excellent new miniseries is a harrowing look at the hidden dangers of authoritarian government and those who dare to stand against it.


The opening lines of HBO’s “Chernobyl” miniseries set the tone for what’s at stake during its terrifying, unflinching look at the worst nuclear plant disaster in history:


‘What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies then we no longer recognize the truth at all.’


When the truth is needed to save lives, it is stifled. When recklessly misguided authority figures need to be questioned, they are shielded by the fear they instill and the political positions they hold.....snip~


https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/24...erils-statism/


The Demos will watch to learn how to lie better. Learn more ways to shutdown the truth. Then use fear to trick their Borg collective.

[MisterVeritis]

If you think that is terrifying with an enormous potential loss of lives just wait until we have government-run healthcare.

[Chris]

HBO’s ‘Chernobyl’ Drives Home The Deadly Perils Of Statism

HBO’s excellent new miniseries is a harrowing look at the hidden dangers of authoritarian government and those who dare to stand against it.


The opening lines of HBO’s “Chernobyl” miniseries set the tone for what’s at stake during its terrifying, unflinching look at the worst nuclear plant disaster in history:


‘What is the cost of lies? It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies then we no longer recognize the truth at all.’


When the truth is needed to save lives, it is stifled. When recklessly misguided authority figures need to be questioned, they are shielded by the fear they instill and the political positions they hold.....snip~


https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/24...erils-statism/


The Demos will watch to learn how to lie better. Learn more ways to shutdown the truth. Then use fear to trick their Borg collective.

That captures the series perfectly. There was the disaster, which could have been much worse, and then there was the state bureaucratic apparatus that tried to cover it up and refused to see it for what it was.

[Lummy]

I don't much care if you engage me or not. But what is it that you believe was "bad" about the industrial accident? Was it the number of deaths?

More people die in Chicago on a four day holiday weekend.

What Chicago is dealing with is far more toxic than nuclear radiation.

[Lummy]

There were a lot of safety concerns with the Fukushima prior to the earthquake and tsunami. Concerns about both design and location of the plant. Most of those concerns were brought up during the planning phase and they were ignored.

Because it would not have been built.

[Lummy]

Did anything bad happen?

If so, what, specifically?

Are you seriously questioning the fact that Chernobyl was a verifiable nuclear disaster? WTF?

What specifically happened there that was "bad"? Do you know?

I'm outta here.

All opportunity for a serious discussion on this issue evaporated when one participant can't even come to acknowledge what happened in Chernobyl was a true nuclear disaster. It's over.

I'm not going to engage MV here and ruin a worthy topic of discussion. You got him.

No, thanks!

LOLOL!

[Lummy]

What Chicago is dealing with is far more toxic than nuclear radiation.

How much real estate in Chicago is unsafe or downright dangerous? Multiply that disaster by the number of urban areas in the US. It is just as permanent as a nuclear accident, but what do governments insist is the solution? A non-containment policy of encouraging it and spreading it around.

It has killed far more people than all nuclear accidents and bombs combined, I'd guess.

[Chris]

‘Chernobyl’ And Communism

The series dramatizes the story of the 1986 Chernobyl disaster by centering on particular characters. We see the unspeakable destruction caused by the plant explosion and widespread radioactive contamination. But what we also see is that the accident itself, and the human suffering it caused, was a direct byproduct of Soviet police-state communism. Mind you, this happened under Gorbachev, not Brezhnev or Stalin. The system itself was so rotten that lies were built into its fabric, in ways that brought the entire thing down. The state’s scientists knew that the kind of reactor in use at Chernobyl was deadly under certain conditions, but kept that knowledge secret from its own experts. The first thing the Soviets cared about when the disaster happened was managing the information to save face. Human lives were expendable. This happens over and over in the series. You come to see that life itself — human life, and all life — is chaff to the Communist Party. Maintaining the system, and the reputation of the system in the eyes of the world, at all costs is the only thing that matters.

The heroes here are ordinary people, like the coal miners and Soviet soldiers who come in and risk their lives to do things that cannot be done otherwise. Why do they do it? Because it’s the right thing to do. These are the people that the corrupt system grinds up, and always ground up, but there they are trying to save others from the consequence of the elite’s actions. I suspect that I’m making this sound moralistic and dull, but trust me, it’s anything but in this series. In episode four, there’s a sequence in which a new soldier has to learn from two experienced soldiers, veterans of the Afghan war, how to kill people’s pets without remorse. They have to do this because the pets, which had to be left behind in the evacuation, are too radioactive to be allowed to live. The young man, Pavel, has to harden his conscience, and the older men teach him how to do it, based on their Afghan experience. That, and vodka.

That sequence shows you how the soul-deadening communist system destroys what is human within people. The whole damn show does that. I can’t stop thinking about it. The radiation that poisons everybody and everything is communism.

[DGUtley]

The one point shortly after the disaster when they're in the room wondering what to do and the old man stands up and says to trust the Soviet State and Socialism and they all stand up and clap -- though they all look on their faces like they know it's b.s.