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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    I would very much like you and @DGUtley to stop putting words in my mouth and respond to my posts in good faith or not at all.

    I noted the slim margin, that is all. I did NOT suggest that the outcome was invalid. No need for hysterics.

    I have felt that Brexit was a mistake from the outset. Am I allowed to have that opinion? Would that be alright with you?
    Good grief, I asked a simple question. I didn't put any words in your mouth. Discussing what you said is bad faith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    C'mon, SW... Mr. Utley's question was a reasonable one. She very strongly suggested that anti-feminism was a driving force behind Brexit.

    Brexit is the best thing that could happen to the UK. They need to get out of the EU and become their own country again. The EU IS going to eventually fail. There really is no doubt of that. Great Britain gains nothing from membership in it that they could not achieve by treaty with the individual members.
    Yes, DG's question was reasonable; I used that exact word to describe it in a later post. (I'm guessing you wrote the above before reading the entire thread.) I was thinking more of other posts in other threads by other members - the kind that totally dismiss, without any attempt at rebuttal, the most rational and well-thought-out arguments with accusations of being a Marxist or worse. (I would name the names of those who do this kind of thing on a daily basis, but apparently that's a rules violation, so I won't.)

    Oh, and for the record, while I'm no expert on the economic and trade issues, I believe I would be all for Brexit were I a U.K. native.
    Last edited by Standing Wolf; 05-25-2019 at 01:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Why? The majority is in favor of Leave. Including 30-40% of their Progressives. Add that with the 70% of the Tories. Done deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lummy View Post
    So, you oppose Brexit and favor NWO totalitarianism? IC.

    Oh that's right, you're a government bureaucrat. I forgot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    On first reading Polly's post, where she wrote, "The idea was championed by far right (by which I mean anti-immigrant / anti-feminist right) politicians such as Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson...", my impression, like yours, was that she was somehow linking the anti-Brexit view with being anti-feminist. Your initial question to her about it was reasonable. When she explained that she hadn't intended to state or imply that connection, the right thing to do at that point would be to respond with "Okay". We have all included words or clauses in our posts that left a wrong impression; someone shouldn't be pursued and badgered about it.

    Let me just add, DG, that of all the right-leaning members of this forum, you are by a considerable margin the most reasonable and the least likely to resort to personal attacks and unfair, deliberate mischaracterizations of others' views. I'm aware that I may have lumped you in - no "may have"...I actually did lump you in - with a couple of other posters in a recent abortion "discussion" and included you in my dismissal of them as liars, and for that I have to sincerely apologize. I haven't gone back to reacquaint myself with what you wrote, exactly, to prompt me to do that, and I don't intend to. If all the other self-identified conservatives on this forum were as fair, reasonable and objective as you are, it would be a far, far better place.
    That's just not true! The RWNJ's TRASH you all the time!You are one of the few good guys on this forum!
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Good grief, I asked a simple question. I didn't put any words in your mouth. Discussing what you said is bad faith?

    Some find disagreement disagreeable. I mean, after all, some think their opinions sacred. And some criticize others for what they themselves do.

    As for Brexit, I'm all for it, hard leave is fine. Sure, there might be an economic downturn as trade deals are renegotiated but in the long run it will free Britain from the confines of EU authority, of, basically, globalism.

    As for democratic vote, I doubt it would have come to this any other way. It is interesting now watching the leaders of democracy fight struggle with democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Why do you say that Brexit is an anti-feminist thing? This is the first time that I've read that.
    I read it that way too, if not why toss that in, other than to bring moralizing into a weak argument?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I read it that way too, if not why toss that in, other than to bring moralizing into a weak argument?
    That was the only way it could have been read. There simply wasn't any point in mentioning feminism or social conservatism. What does the latter even mean in terms of Brexit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    That was the only way it could have been read. There simply wasn't any point in mentioning feminism or social conservatism. What does the latter even mean in terms of Brexit?
    Nothing.
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