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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    That's a meaningless question.
    Well you seem to think that this occurred in a social vacuum.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You would do yourself a favor a read up on how things functioned in the Middle Ages. You're really outside your element when you anachronistically cite Dickens about monarchy when he was a journalist on parliament.

    You really are just making this stuff up. But it's your reputation.
    Who was citing Dickens? I referred to Dickensian England, i.e the Victorian Era. IIRC colonialism was in full swing.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    My statement was intended for both sides of the argument. The state was looking at state public accommodation law. Nothing more.
    That is why SCOTUS reversed and remanded the initial case. The State can't focus on one Constitutional right and ignore another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Based on the electoral colleges, he did. Did I say he didn't? He didn't receive the popular vote.
    The Founders did not what the president elected by a popular vote. They thought democracy was horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    If life was so perfect in the middle ages, people would have certainly rejected the democratization of government in England and they would not have endorsed or supported the elimination of monarchical rule. In your middle ages fantasy, life was perfect, if you ignore feudalism, serfdom and classism, not to mention the fact that the laws all favored property owners.
    No one said it was perfect, please stop making up strawmen to argue.

    In terms of law, from the early into the later Middle Ages, law ruled, the old, tried and true and traditional law ruled of monarch and people, no one made law. In the late Middle Ages you get a struggle between popes and kings for absolute power, power to make law, kings won out...until the nobles and the common people, by Middle Age right of resistance, replaced the kings with democracy--you know, like the parliament Dickens wrote about. --That's a very rough outline of history that only a rare few here might detail and even correct--but not you who knows nothing of premodern times.

    The problems with this democracy were two. One, it retained absolute power to top-down dictate law, abandoning the old law embodies in a bottom-up hierarchical community of communities. Two, unlike ancient Greek democracy, this new democracy was mass democracy which over time included all, not just those who had a stake in the game, so to speak, but those who in time found they could vote themselves largess from the public coffers. The combination lends itself to totalitarianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    That's how democratic elections work. The alternative is despotism.
    Majoritarian democracy is just as despotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Your lack of imagination and want of understanding of human psychology is quite astounding. It's no wonder that you cannot connect the dots. You have no insight into what makes people tick and without that understanding you only understand history on one level. You are like the colorblind trying to choose paint colors based on rules. You can't even understand logic that exists outside of your own limited perceptions of reality. I have logically argued my claim which is understood by anyone who understands human behavior.

    I prefer not to impose my imagination on history.

    Logic is universal, Who. Your arguments lack it. The emotional ad hom above is just one example. But getting back to your earlier claim, when are you going to connect the dots logically between a baker refusing service and mass starvation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    Dickensian England was ruled by Parliament.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Who were primarily members of the aristocracy - the wealthy, titled, landed families who historically maintained the monarchy. Parliament was then controlled by the monarchy on the QT because they were virtually all relatives.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    The House of Lords consisted of members of the aristocracy. It was the smaller branch and by far the weaker branch. The House of Commons held the real power by Dickens' day. The Crown simply did not rule by the 19th Century. Why are you associating monarchy with the abuses of capitalism?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Actually, the House of Lords was pretty powerful during the Victorian era. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Lords

    Remarkable exchange. Who, you simply don't know what you're talking about. The link you provide does nothing whatsoever to support your claim the House of Lords held the power--weakened to "pretty." The link simply describes its structure and function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Well you seem to think that this occurred in a social vacuum.
    It's more like you seem to think that I think that. It's a nice accusation, Who, but you offer no evidence. I realize the great Wolf also said it, but he too offers no evidence. You two just make these things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Who was citing Dickens? I referred to Dickensian England, i.e the Victorian Era. IIRC colonialism was in full swing.
    The criticism was that you posted that Dickens lived in the late Middle Ages when monarchs ruled supreme. You now try to cover up and recover from your anachronism.
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