Bishop Bars Madigan, Cullerton From Receiving Communion over Abortion Bills.....

[Standing Wolf]

The Bishop's withholding of communion isn't a separation of church and state issue.

It certainly is. A religious official withholding a sacrament of his church to two individuals for the way they voted? Again, I'm not suggesting in any way that this is a matter for the courts, or for legislative or executive action; I thought I'd made it pretty clear in my first post that this move by the Bishop was more in the "bad idea" category. And again, it's hypocritical on his part to expect the secular State to be hands-off in ecclesial matters, and then do something like this.

Government has in in fact inserted itself in the abortion issue.

I'm not really understanding your point here, T. Are you suggesting that government should not be doing that? Perhaps I'm wrong in assuming that you are generally in the anti-choice camp, but if you are - how do you make something illegal without involving government?

[Chris]

The Bishop's withholding of communion isn't a separation of church and state issue.

Government has in in fact inserted itself in the abortion issue.

No, it is not, it's a church matter.

Yes, the government has indeed inserted itself in the abortion issue.

[Mister D]

It certainly is. A religious official withholding a sacrament of his church to two individuals for the way they voted? Again, I'm not suggesting in any way that this is a matter for the courts, or for legislative or executive action; I thought I'd made it pretty clear in my first post that this move by the Bishop was more in the "bad idea" category. And again, it's hypocritical on his part to expect the secular State to be hands-off in ecclesial matters, and then do something like this.

I'm not really understanding your point here, T. Are you suggesting that government should not be doing that? Perhaps I'm wrong in assuming that you are generally in the anti-choice camp, but if you are - how do you make something illegal without involving government?

You have a very strange idea of said separation. This is a Church matter and, quite frankly, none of your business.

[Mister D]

No, it is not, it's a church matter.

Yes, the government has indeed inserted itself in the abortion issue.

It's funny. The " it's none of your business" crowd is quick to make anything their business when it displeases them

[Chris]

It's funny. The " it's none of your business" crowd is quick to make anything their business when it displeases them

To them everything is the government's business. Told you, next is the church. Everything must be leveled! Man must be freed of society.

[Tahuyaman]

It certainly is. A religious official withholding a sacrament of his church to two individuals for the way they voted? Again, I'm not suggesting in any way that this is a matter for the courts, or for legislative or executive action; I thought I'd made it pretty clear in my first post that this move by the Bishop was more in the "bad idea" category. And again, it's hypocritical on his part to expect the secular State to be hands-off in ecclesial matters, and then do something like this.

I'm not really understanding your point here, T. Are you suggesting that government should not be doing that? Perhaps I'm wrong in assuming that you are generally in the anti-choice camp, but if you are - how do you make something illegal without involving government?

He's withholding communion because they violate a basic tenet of the catholic faith by being pro abortion. That's not a separation of church and state issue.


Im strictly pro life, you are pro abortion. I can live with my position



Governmemt has no business being involved in the abortion issue. Especially at the federal level.

[Sergeant Gleed]

Church punishing members for political decisions? Is that a role for them?

Yes.

Voters punish politicians for bad decisions all the time.

Maybe you should read the First Amendment? There can't be any law, not in the United States, forcing churches to tolerate sinful behavior simply because the Sinner is a Rodent intent on promoting homosexuality, promiscuity and infanticide.

Actually, churches telling politicians they're going to go to hell for murdering babies is a good thing.

You don't support the murder of babies, do you?

[Sergeant Gleed]

He's withholding communion because they violate a basic tenet of the catholic faith by being pro abortion. That's not a separation of church and state issue.


Im strictly pro life, you are pro abortion. I can live with my position



Governmemt has no business being involved in the abortion issue. Especially at the federal level.

Jeeezzzz….

...there is no "separation of church AND state".

The separation is entirely "state, hands off church".

There's no complementary "chuch, hands of state". Churches can engage in all the influencing of politicians they want. What do you thing freedom to petition government is for?

[Sergeant Gleed]

No, it is not, it's a church matter.

Yes, the government has indeed inserted itself in the abortion issue.

Never mind what was going to say, I mis-read your post.

I will say this, instead...

...the government has a ROLE in the abortion issue.

Under the Constitution,

Lives cannot be legally taken until the accused has a trial, with clearly stated charges, and has the ability to confront his accusers. Fourth Amendment stuff that fully applies to the unborn human beings as it does to Jose Avilla.

Under the Constitution,

No law can be passed that can punish the descendants of the criminal for the crime of the ancestor....and NO unborn baby who is the product of rape can thus be executed for the crime their ancestor committed before they even came into being.

Now, the STATES can regulate the medical practices in their jurisdictions...something not granted to Congress at all...and thus abortion has always been subject to state legislation and the government has thus always been involved. So you meant "federal government", obviously. But even so, the states are presently constrained under the Bill of Rights to forbid the murder of unborn children.

And...to get back on topic, any church that wishes to censor any politician promoting the murder of the unborn, as a violation of that church's teachings, has ever freedom to do so.

[Sergeant Gleed]

To them everything is the government's business. Told you, next is the church. Everything must be leveled! Man must be freed of society.

It's not that.

It's that "liberalism/socialism/progressivism/whateverism" is a religious cult that brooks no competition, tolerates no dissent and it's also a cult that believes firmly in megadeath and genocide to silence any and all dissent.