If You Think Wind Energy is the Answer -- Think Again!

[Private Pickle]

Hurricane Iniki, late 1980's, a Los Angeles class submarine provided sufficient power through it's shore power connections (located in the Aft Escape Trunk) to power a hospital and other essential services for a city in Hawaii.

It's not what it was designed to do. Let me know when they start plugging in subs and aircraft carriers into the grid. Otherwise stick to nuclear power plants that were designed to power cities.

YOU did not ask when the last civilian commercial power plant was built in the US. Your question was answered correctly.

I asked. You just diverted the question because the answer is devastating to your position.

Now, as usual, you people are trying to move goal posts again.

We were talking about wind farms. You brought up how nuclear power would solve the problem. I ask when the last power plant was built. You pointed to a submarine. Who is moving the goal posts again?

Right. MY obsession.

Right.

Who founded Green Peace, the eco-terrorism group of the 80s?

Irving and Dorothy Stowe... Moving goalposts much?

The discussion of tge benefits of nuclear power comes as naturally to any thread promoting the imaginary benefits of windmills as the eventual introduction of farts into any windmill discussion.

Whatever that means...

[Private Pickle]

I just think you haven't yet been made aware of the advances in clean nuclear.



More here:

https://www.nei.org/fundamentals/nuclear-waste

I never once advocated against the use of nuclear. I simply said it isn't fool proof and failure can be permanent.

[Lummy]

Used fuel has only exhausted part of the potential energy in the uranium pellets after five years in a reactor. Some countries like France reprocess and recycle nuclear fuel, extracting elements still capable of generating energy for use in new fuel. The United States currently does not, but some advanced reactor designs in development would be able to run on used fuel.

I've never really understood this since it's heat that makes the power. Seems like hotter, which spent fuel is, would be better for making power, but spent fuel is not.

Thanks for the link.

[Sergeant Gleed]

It's when the climate changes.

Try to be specific.

Sunset, equinox, or Maunder cycles?

Which of those is wetting...never mind...

On it's surface it isn't bad. It's typically a naturally occurring phenomenon. The fact is the incredible acceleration due to the burning of fossil fuels has never occurred in the Earth's history. Is NASA a good enough source for you?

No, NASA is not a good source, not since NASA became part of the self-promoting federal bureacracy.

Goddard refuses to present the raw data and thus cannot support its claims.

Now you've just committed the logical fail of Argument From Authority, and I just explained why that specific authority cannot be trusted.

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/



You're welcome.

I can't even identify what a "prelocesses" is... Once you start making sense we may have something to discuss...
It will be eventually... And it will be beneficial to the "environmrlent".

Loser cultists make a big deal out of the spelling foibles of someone else's cell phone.

We all acknowledge how people like you have to say something when you have nothing.

What have I been saying?

"Four legs good, two legs baaaaaaad."

I don't.


Do you scream at parked cars too?

Do you think you are a parked car?

Should we all discuss this question next?

[Sergeant Gleed]

I've never really understood this since it's heat that makes the power. Seems like hotter, which spent fuel is, would be better for making power, but spent fuel is not.

Thanks for the link.

A couple of things going on there.

Uranium fission produces plutonium, which can be recovered and used as bomb material, reactor plant fissure fuel, or used as radio isotope thermal generators for deep space probes such as Voyager and Cassini or instruments on the moon, which have to endure a two week long night.

A fair fraction of a reactor ' s heat output, when operating at long-term steady state, comes from the radioactive decay of fission products. This heat continues to be produced after reactor shutdown and is the source of the heat that destroyed the cores in TMI, Cher nobly and Fukushima.

[Sergeant Gleed]

Wind power had been used for thousands of years...the reason it was dumped was as a result of electricity based on the burning of fossil fuels.

Rape the skyline? Every see L.A.'s skyline?

I can see the Hollywierd sign from my front porch.

Let me ask you this. When was the last time the Navy set up emergency windmills to power ilup a hospital after a hurricane or earthquake?

[Sergeant Gleed]

A couple of things going on there.

Uranium fission produces plutonium, which can be recovered and used as bomb material, reactor plant fissure fuel, or used as radio isotope thermal generators for deep space probes such as Voyager and Cassini or instruments on the moon, which have to endure a two week long night.

A fair fraction of a reactor ' s heat output, when operating at long-term steady state, comes from the radioactive decay of fission products. This heat continues to be produced after reactor shutdown and is the source of the heat that destroyed the cores in TMI, Cher nobly and Fukushima.

Let's clarify that uranium fission produces neutrons that interact with U238 nuclei to create Pu239, not that plutonium is a fission product itself. That isn't possible.

[Sergeant Gleed]

It's not what it was designed to do. Let me know when they start plugging in subs and aircraft carriers into the grid. Otherwise stick to nuclear power plants that were designed to power cities.

.I can see that your failure to phrase a question properly to elicit the answer you've got a canned abswer to is not a skill your owners have been able to instill in their slower students.

You seem to be most amusingly (to me) frustrated that your set-up are trapping you, not your intended victims.

If you want specific answers to drive the discussion in only the one, false, direction, you need to ban everyone and post to yourself.


[Quite]
I asked. You just diverted the question because the answer is devastating to your position.[/quote]

I answered.

Now you want to ask the question again and pretend your argument hasn't already been shattered.

If I wasted time answering that question again, you'd be stuck explaining why US energy policy for four full decades is predicated not on national self-interest and sound engineering knowledge, but upon the emotional rantings of a viet-cong sympathizing exercise queen as expressed in a half-assed anti-American anti-nuclear power propaganda film.

Are you ready to answer that question?

Of course not.

We were talking about wind farms. You brought up how nuclear power would solve the problem. I ask when the last power plant was built. You pointed to a submarine. Who is moving the goal posts again?

Windmills cannot provide America's energy needs.

Period.

Why should we not discuss real technologies thst can and wiil?

That battery crap you think is the Wonder Cure is not going to happen.

Want to know why it won't happen?

Too bad, I an going to tell you anyway.

It won't happen because it cannot happen and it cannot happen because even if the magical technology became available...it's not going to be cheaper than fossil fuel generators until we start running out of fossil fuels...it about 500 years.



Green Peace was founded with significant financial assistance from the KGB, and I do not mean the classic rock radio station in San Diego.

Duh.

You can look it up in Wikipedia and see that it's not there, a perfect example of how fascists erase history.

[Lummy]

Green Peace was founded wulith significant financial assistance from the KGB, and I do not mean the classic rock radio station in San Diego.

That is not substantiated that I can find.

[Collateral Damage]

The waste is easy to dispose of.
Use Scat Francisco's Poop App and just put the waste at the sites indicated. Nobody will go there except the winos, so nobody gets hurt.
Or we do the right thing and put the waste in Yucca Mountain, or, even better, on the Abyssal Plains, where not even winos live.

I know where it is currently stored here in the US.

I don't agree with it. The long term contamination of this planet from one little oopsie, is mind boggling.