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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergeant Gleed View Post
    It won't be the danger, though certainly it's going to take a special person to leave the comforts of earth to colonize any such hostile place, but colonists have always been different.

    What the problem is going to be us whst the problem always is: where's the money and is there enough?

    And Mars will be more expensive than the moon, with, really, a lot less to offer.
    I imagine we will have a permanent presence there before 2100.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    The question is: Will there ever be a permanent self-sustaining colony of humans on Mars?

    So far, in my opinion, it's just a dream and not at all realistic. To say otherwise is to ignore the long term toll that gravity will take on the human body plus the risk of deadly solar flares. There are so many high-risk issues that if one doesn't do them in, another will.
    They will figure it out. They may need totally contained habitats at first.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Not necessarily. If you look at it pragmatically, Mars has most of the same minerals as Earth, thus if mankind could set up mining and manufacturing facilities on Mars we could build and launch space craft from an environment with only 38% of the gravity well that we deal with on earth - at least until we figure out anti-gravity. Then the launch site won't matter anymore.
    Yes, necessarily.

    It's easier to mine to asteroids.

    If you want to be pragmatic about such things.

    And the flight to Mars is a six-month tour in a possible high-radiation zone.

    If gravity is the thing, the place is the moon...which has PRECISELY the same minerals (those that weren't part of a biologic process) as the surface of the Earth itself....and half the gravity of Mars.

    Anti-gravity...you're not a serious participant.

    The launch site does matter, and neither the Earth nor Mars is the place. The moon is....with four times the solar energy density than Mars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They will figure it out. They may need totally contained habitats at first.


    The meek will survive the way they always do. Welfare benefits. And their lives will get better once the ROI from the bold flow down to the rest of society.
    They will ALWAYS need enclosed habitats on Mars.

    Air pressure is never going to rise.


    How well did the wealth from the bold American colonists flow down to the Brits?


    Why would Martian colonists "share"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They will figure it out. They may need totally contained habitats at first.


    The meek will survive the way they always do. Welfare benefits. And their lives will get better once the ROI from the bold flow down to the rest of society.
    Has any professional ever done a psychological profile of the types of people who are willing to take a one way trip to Mars? What must their lives be like on earth that they are so willing to die? And what does it say about those who are so eager to see them go? What's in it for them? I wonder what it is about their psychological profile that makes them crave this kind of excitement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They will figure it out. They may need totally contained habitats at first.

    That won’t change gravity. The first wave will never return. Their skeletal structures would break. The answer is likely robotics cyborg merging. The human body can not withstand those gravitational fields for sustained periods of time. Muscular would atrophy. Morphology would alter. Eventually, an entirely different species.


    or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zachroidott View Post
    That won’t change gravity. The first wave will never return. Their skeletal structures would break. The answer is likely robotics cyborg merging. The human body can not withstand those gravitational fields for sustained periods of time. Muscular would atrophy. Morphology would alter. Eventually, an entirely different species.


    or not...
    Yes, living off earth will cause mutations and evolutionary changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zachroidott View Post
    That won’t change gravity. The first wave will never return. Their skeletal structures would break. The answer is likely robotics cyborg merging. The human body can not withstand those gravitational fields for sustained periods of time. Muscular would atrophy. Morphology would alter. Eventually, an entirely different species.
    I agree with your statement that "The first wave will never return." But as far as them evolving into an entirely different species, I agree with your last comment...."or not..."

    And here's my reasoning for that: In order for them to evolve into an entirely different species, they would have to live long enough to produce viable offspring, and there's no way that's ever going to happen on Mars. Humans have evolved very slowly over tens of thousands of years to be suited for living conditions on earth, not Mars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    I agree with your statement that "The first wave will never return." But as far as them evolving into an entirely different species, I agree with your last comment...."or not..."

    And here's my reasoning for that: In order for them to evolve into an entirely different species, they would have to live long enough to produce viable offspring, and there's no way that's ever going to happen on Mars. Humans have evolved very slowly over tens of thousands of years to be suited for living conditions on earth, not Mars.
    They will reproduce on Mars. Their kids won't be suited for earth. That's OK. Humans will spread throughout the solar system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    They will reproduce on Mars. Their kids won't be suited for earth. That's OK. Humans will spread throughout the solar system.
    That's just your dream, not reality.
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