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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    That's just your dream, not reality. You're the only one I know of that thinks that.
    Don't know very many people do you? Or the ones you do know are sorely lacking in imagination. Humans are the most adaptable organism on Earth and possibly the Universe. Yes, there are dangers to overcome and adapt to but other than the bottom of the sea humans live in every environment on Earth and some have been living in space. Man has been dreaming of living in space for centuries. One day it will happen, maybe not Mars (maybe Titan, which is far more hospitable than Mars except for the minus 250 degree temperatures). There are rivers, lakes, rainfall and a nitrogen based atmosphere (The Earth is also actually mostly nitrogen)

    I do believe "The Stars My Destination" is more than a book title.

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    What will happen is obvious.

    The present species "homo sapiens", because of geographical isolation, will split into "homo sapiens terrans", "homo sapiens areans", "homo sapiens lunarians", and given enough time, "homo sapiens astralians".

    People colonizing the moon are almost certainly going to be too damn tall and skinny for earth humans, and the moon people will be terrified of sex with something as brutally muscular and stocky as an earth human. And most earth-type humans aren't interested in sex using a step-ladder.

    So the genetic isolation will be permanent, and that will lead to selection for other traits unique to each population.

    Certainly artificial insemination could be used to create humans among the two groups for the longest time, and again naturally, a moon baby is probably going to be able to grow and become an earth looking human for thousands of years to come. (We do not know much about the gestation of babies in low gravity, so maybe this isn't true.)

    But speciation because a single species has branched into diverse forms that the members of the original form find repulsive has been observed in cichlid fish. And most people aren't as smart as fish when it comes to what they want to have sex with.

    So the human species would evolve into isolated races, and those races, through the fact of the isolation, will eventually (100K years) evolve into genetically isolated species who cannot interbreed with the progenitor species...which, because the native environment hasn't changed, will be essentially the same as the present human stock on Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Don't know very many people do you? Or the ones you do know are sorely lacking in imagination. Humans are the most adaptable organism on Earth and possibly the Universe. Yes, there are dangers to overcome and adapt to but other than the bottom of the sea humans live in every environment on Earth and some have been living in space. Man has been dreaming of living in space for centuries. One day it will happen, maybe not Mars (maybe Titan, which is far more hospitable than Mars except for the minus 250 degree temperatures). There are rivers, lakes, rainfall and a nitrogen based atmosphere (The Earth is also actually mostly nitrogen)

    I do believe "The Stars My Destination" is more than a book title.
    Actually, what humans do is warp their environment to fit their needs, they've only done marginal adaptation to themselves over time.

    Sure, the eskimos are short and squat and fat to conserve heat. But naked eskimos die quickly.

    African tribesmen who's ancestors have never left the savannah are tall and narrow to maximize surface area to volume to keep the body cool.

    The clothes of the eskimo serve to bring the warm environment of central Africa close to their skins.

    No conceptually different than Neil Armstrong's spacesuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    Don't know very many people do you? Or the ones you do know are sorely lacking in imagination. Humans are the most adaptable organism on Earth and possibly the Universe. Yes, there are dangers to overcome and adapt to but other than the bottom of the sea humans live in every environment on Earth and some have been living in space. Man has been dreaming of living in space for centuries. One day it will happen, maybe not Mars (maybe Titan, which is far more hospitable than Mars except for the minus 250 degree temperatures). There are rivers, lakes, rainfall and a nitrogen based atmosphere (The Earth is also actually mostly nitrogen)
    My mistake, that's what I get for posting in a hurry. I have friends but not the types who sit around talking about whether or not a self-sustaining colony can be established on Mars. There are probably thousands like you and Peter who have vague dreams but nothing concrete. It's nothing more than a dream, it's not based on reality. And those in charge of planning to go to Mars are not likely do dispel any myths that people dream up because they need public opinion to be on their side.

    Here are some definite reasons why a permanent self-sustaining colony on Mars may not be achievable: https://alien-ufo-sightings.com/2014...-on-your-body/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    That's just your dream, not reality.
    Had you lived 200 years ago you would have said the same thing about cars, planes, and the moon landing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    My mistake, that's what I get for posting in a hurry. I have friends but not the types who sit around talking about whether or not a self-sustaining colony can be established on Mars. There are probably thousands like you and Peter who have vague dreams but nothing concrete. It's nothing more than a dream, it's not based on reality. And those in charge of planning to go to Mars are not likely to dispel any myths that people dream up because they need public opinion to be on their side.

    Here are some definite reasons why a permanent self-sustaining colony on Mars may not be achievable: https://alien-ufo-sightings.com/2014...-on-your-body/
    The Case for Mars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Had you lived 200 years ago you would have said the same thing about cars, planes, and the moon landing.
    In that case, I could dream up any future scenario I choose and as long as you can't disprove it, you would have to agree that it's possible. And never mind if it's moral, ethical or practical, we need to do it just because we think we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That book was written in 1996, that's almost 23 years ago. The following article was written on Dec. 2018 and they still have no idea if humans can have viable babies on Mars:

    https://www.sunnewsonline.com/the-bi...n-planet-mars/


    And, I might add, even if they can, there's an important question of whether or not it will be ethical. What quality of life will there be for a baby born on Mars who has to live underground and will essentially serve the purpose of a human guinea pig. If it manages to be born, it will sit there in one underground room for maybe 15 years or until sexual maturity to see if it can have a baby. Hey, kid, were sorry that you have no quality of life but that's the breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trumpster View Post
    In that case, I could dream up any future scenario I choose and as long as you can't disprove it, you would have to agree that it's possible. And never mind if it's moral, ethical or practical, we need to do it just because we think we can.
    You are exactly right. Anything we can dream we can create. The moral and ethical portion is irrelevant to the discussion. Morals and Religion will take care of those. As far as practical, if it isn't practical then it won't happen. About 40 years ago the first video phones were created. You could call someone and see them talking to you and vice versa. That went no where because at the time it was expensive, bulky and people were not ready for the change in mores. Today, we have Skype, Video Conferencing and a host of other communications options. I remember when books were on computer like devices and the consensus of opinion was no one wanted those things. It took another 20 or 30 years for Nook and other brands to become popular, so popular the printed word is all but extinct today.

    Furthermore, almost every discovery has created a host of naysayers who believe it will cause cancer or boils on the liver or an increase in illegitimate children or Trump voters. The world is full of Luddites but it is also full of Leonardo DiVinci's who when asked Why? Answer "Why Not?


    Your last line is perplexing "We need to do it just because we think we can". Why to you is that a bad thing? Who is to decide what advances or new products will hit the market or move mankind forward? So elite government agency created to make those decisions?

    Mankind and progress cannot be stopped. It can only be destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45 View Post
    You are exactly right. Anything we can dream we can create. The moral and ethical portion is irrelevant to the discussion. Morals and Religion will take care of those. As far as practical, if it isn't practical then it won't happen. About 40 years ago the first video phones were created. You could call someone and see them talking to you and vice versa. That went no where because at the time it was expensive, bulky and people were not ready for the change in mores. Today, we have Skype, Video Conferencing and a host of other communications options. I remember when books were on computer like devices and the consensus of opinion was no one wanted those things. It took another 20 or 30 years for Nook and other brands to become popular, so popular the printed word is all but extinct today.

    Furthermore, almost every discovery has created a host of naysayers who believe it will cause cancer or boils on the liver or an increase in illegitimate children or Trump voters. The world is full of Luddites but it is also full of Leonardo DiVinci's who when asked Why? Answer "Why Not?


    Your last line is perplexing "We need to do it just because we think we can". Why to you is that a bad thing? Who is to decide what advances or new products will hit the market or move mankind forward? So elite government agency created to make those decisions?

    Mankind and progress cannot be stopped. It can only be destroyed.
    Right. And the Luddites will get left behind. Although I imagine they will be eager to take advantage of the spin off tech.
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