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    This brings up an interesting point I've tried to impress on certain members here: "conventional wisdom" would have resulted in many more civilian deaths than the atomic drops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This brings up an interesting point I've tried to impress on certain members here: "conventional wisdom" would have resulted in many more civilian deaths than the atomic drops.
    The Japanese, at the time, believed they would experience up to 150,000 casualties per day.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    This brings up an interesting point I've tried to impress on certain members here: "conventional wisdom" would have resulted in many more civilian deaths than the atomic drops.
    Had the US invaded. It was not needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The Japanese, at the time, believed they would experience up to 150,000 casualties per day.
    That they thought this was acceptable gives one some indication of the IJA's resolve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Had the US invaded. It was not needed.
    No invasion was mentioned. Bombing and bombardment were the methods under discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    That they thought this was acceptable gives one some indication of the IJA's resolve.
    I had long ago forgotten the Japanese were very concerned about their rice harvest. It was an important discussion topic in their top secret diplomatic traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I had long ago forgotten the Japanese were very concerned about their rice harvest. It was an important discussion topic in their top secret diplomatic traffic.
    And one I was unaware of. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    No invasion was mentioned. Bombing and bombardment were the methods under discussion.
    I assumed you were using conventional wisdom to mean the typical arguments for using the bombs. If you meant something else I apologize- I agree, an invasion was not needed to force the Japanese surrender.
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    I'd have the Battle of Tours on the list. Charles Martel led the only army capable of preventing a muslim conquest all of France and more, so that battle changed history in a big way. And he won with an all-infantry force facing a numerically superior cavalry force, which was kind of a miracle. Okay, more like awesome generalship and planning, along with superbly trained and motivated troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    I'd have the Battle of Tours on the list. Charles Martel led the only army capable of preventing a muslim conquest all of France and more, so that battle changed history in a big way. And he won with an all-infantry force facing a numerically superior cavalry force, which was kind of a miracle. Okay, more like awesome generalship and planning, along with superbly trained and motivated troops.
    That is a good one.
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