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    America must prepare for the coming Chinese Empire

    America must prepare for the coming Chinese Empire

    This is a long, but very good article from Robert D. Kaplan about the coming of a Chinese Empire. He says, among other things, that unlike the US and other previous "empires" the Chinese are focusing on economics.

    BEFORE ONE can outline a grand strategy for the United States, one has to be able to understand the world in which America operates. That may sound simple, but a bane of Washington is the assumption of knowledge where little actually exists. Big ideas and schemes are worthless unless one is aware of the ground-level reality of several continents, and is able to fit them into a pattern, based not on America’s own historical experience, but also on the historical experience of others. Therefore, I seek to approach grand strategy not from the viewpoint of Washington, but of the world; and not as a political scientist or academic, but as a journalist with more than three decades of experience as a reporter around the globe.
    After covering the Third World during the Cold War and its aftershocks which continue to the present, I have concluded that, despite the claims of post-colonial studies courses prevalent on university campuses, we still inhabit (in functional terms, that is) an imperial world. Empire in some form or another is eternal, even if European colonies of the early-modern and modern eras are gone. Thus, the issue becomes: what are the contours of the current imperial age that affect grand strategy for the United States? And once those contours are delineated, what should be America’s grand strategy in response? I will endeavor to answer both questions.

    Empire, or its great power equivalent, requires the impression of permanence: the idea, embedded in the minds of local inhabitants, that the imperial authorities will always be there, compelling acquiescence to their rule and influence. Wherever I traveled in Africa, the Middle East and Asia during the Cold War, American and Soviet influence was seen as permanent; unquestioned for all time, however arrogant and overbearing it might have been. Whatever the facts, that was the perception. And after the Soviet Union collapsed, American influence continued to be seen for a time as equally permanent. Make no mistake: America, since the end of World War II, and continuing into the second decade of the twenty-first century, was an empire in all but name.

    That is no longer the case. European and Asian allies are now, with good reason, questioning America’s constancy. New generations of American leaders, to judge from university liberal arts curriculums, are no longer being educated to take pride in their country’s past and traditions. Free trade or some equivalent, upon which liberal maritime empires have often rested, is being abandoned. The decline of the State Department, ongoing since the end of the Cold War, is hollowing out a primary tool of American power. Power is not only economic and military: it is moral. And I don’t mean humanitarian, as necessary as humanitarianism is for the American brand. But in this case, I mean something harder: the fidelity of our word in the minds of allies. And that predictability is gone.

    Meanwhile, as one imperium-of-sorts declines, another takes its place.

    China is not the challenge we face: rather, the challenge is the new Chinese empire. It is an empire that stretches from the arable cradle of the ethnic Han core westward across Muslim China and Central Asia to Iran; and from the South China Sea, across the Indian Ocean, up the Suez Canal, to the eastern Mediterranean and the Adriatic Sea. It is an empire based on roads, railways, energy pipelines and container ports whose pathways by land echo those of the Tang and Yuan dynasties of the Middle Ages, and by sea echo the Ming dynasty of the late Middle Ages and early-modern period. Because China is in the process of building the greatest land-based navy in history, the heart of this new empire will be the Indian Ocean, which is the global energy interstate, connecting the hydrocarbon fields of the Middle East with the middle-class conurbations of East Asia.






    Read the entire article at the link.
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    The US is destroying itself.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    The US is destroying itself.
    Of course. Both Dems and Repubs are hell bent on spending us into a currency collapse while the majority are happy to vote (D) or (R).

    This thread is about the interesting coming Chinese empire. That is in the works regardless of America's spending fetish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Of course. Both Dems and Repubs are hell bent on spending us into a currency collapse while the majority are happy to vote (D) or (R).

    This thread is about the interesting coming Chinese empire. That is in the works regardless of America's spending fetish.
    It would not be if we were more responsible. That was my counterpoint.

    There are plenty of things we could be doing now. There were plenty of things we could have done 30 years ago. President Trump's trade arrangement will blunt the Chinese for decades.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    It would not be if we were more responsible. That was my counterpoint.

    There are plenty of things we could be doing now. There were plenty of things we could have done 30 years ago. President Trump's trade arrangement will blunt the Chinese for decades.
    Yes Trump is really tossing the monkey wrench into China's economic gears.
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    America must prepare for the coming Chinese Empire ……





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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    It would not be if we were more responsible. That was my counterpoint.

    There are plenty of things we could be doing now. There were plenty of things we could have done 30 years ago. President Trump's trade arrangement will blunt the Chinese for decades.
    No, not true. China has no problems with getting things done. They want...they do. Everyone is more or less on the same wavelength.

    Look at us...we can't have a wall or even ask if people are here illegally.

    America is finished. It is all smoke and mirrors.

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