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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    I recall that they claimed in the mid-70's that Florida would be under water by now.................there goes that 100% accurate prediction thingy.
    Also they predicted another ice age in the 70s. When that didn't pan out they flip-flopped to warming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    As the predictions have been excellent, you're clearly not familiar with the science.

    The reason climate science has such credibility is because they've earned it, by getting everything right for 40+ years. Over the same period, your side has gotten everything wrong, resulting in your side's lack of credibility.



    Yet that's all settled enough to make the GPS system work. You keep confirming my point.

    You're relying on a false dichotomy fallacy, that something is either "settled" or "not settled", when it's actually a continuum.

    You're also being inconsistent, as you don't declare "The science isn't settled, so we can't take action!" for any other branch of science. According to some, the science isn't settled concerning the germ theory of disease, or the success of vaccination, or smoking causing cancer, or HIV causing AIDS, and so on. By your standards, we would have to refrain from taking any action at all in such areas. As that's absurd, your standards are absurd.

    The predictions have been all over that charts and you know that. Hell, they can't even predict tomorrow's weather let alone climate change over decades.

    But gravitational science is not settled.

    What, do you think G in GPS means gravity? It means Global, silly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Also they predicted another ice age in the 70s. When that didn't pan out they flip-flopped to warming.
    No, _you_ predicted an ice age. That is, your fellow denier cult idiots pushed the story. At the same time in the 1970s, most of the real scientists were correctly predicting warming.

    Your cult has been failing as badly as it's possible to fail for 40+ years now. That's why your cult is ridiculed. If you don't want to be laughed at, you need to stop failing at every single thing.

    That won't happen. Almost universally, your ice age cult is _still_ predicting a new ice age RealSoonNow. The failure of all your previous ice age predictions doesn't slow you down at all. You just take it to mean that you didn't pray hard enough, or that you miscalculated the date of armageddon, so you simply push the date back a few years. That's typical doomsday cult behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    The predictions have been all over that charts and you know that. Hell, they can't even predict tomorrow's weather let alone climate change over decades.
    The long term predictions have been excellent. I'm familiar with the real science as opposed to conspiracy blog propaganda, so I know such things, and I'm not fooled by conspiracy blog propaganda.

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-observations/




    What, do you think G in GPS means gravity? It means Global, silly.
    You actually didn't know that GPS needs relativistic corrections to function? My, don't you look silly now, but for a new reason.

    The previous reason you look silly still holds. By your logic, since that's not "settled science", we shouldn't have built the GPS system. As that's absurd, your logic is absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    I recall that they claimed in the mid-70's that Florida would be under water by now.................there goes that 100% accurate prediction thingy.
    Exactly who claimed that?

    If you didn't just make that up, you shouldn't have a problem telling us.

    Oh, I see. Somewhere on a conspiracy web page you read that, making it part of your belief system now. You want to believe it's true, so you believe it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    The long term predictions have been excellent. I'm familiar with the real science as opposed to conspiracy blog propaganda, so I know such things, and I'm not fooled by conspiracy blog propaganda.

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...-observations/






    You actually didn't know that GPS needs relativistic corrections to function? My, don't you look silly now, but for a new reason.

    The previous reason you look silly still holds. By your logic, since that's not "settled science", we shouldn't have built the GPS system. As that's absurd, your logic is absurd.


    You pulled the same crap last time we looked at this. All I need to do is tell people to follow your link to see how disingenuous you are being. That article is about repeated adjustments to models to make them come even close to fitting observed data. That grey area is a wide range of vriation from observed data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    No, _you_ predicted an ice age. That is, your fellow denier cult idiots pushed the story. At the same time in the 1970s, most of the real scientists were correctly predicting warming.

    Your cult has been failing as badly as it's possible to fail for 40+ years now. That's why your cult is ridiculed. If you don't want to be laughed at, you need to stop failing at every single thing.

    That won't happen. Almost universally, your ice age cult is _still_ predicting a new ice age RealSoonNow. The failure of all your previous ice age predictions doesn't slow you down at all. You just take it to mean that you didn't pray hard enough, or that you miscalculated the date of armageddon, so you simply push the date back a few years. That's typical doomsday cult behavior.
    I didn't predict anything - you feeling OK?

    The predictions by the warmists have all fallen flat. At least the ones they push.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You pulled the same crap last time we looked at this. All I need to do is tell people to follow your link to see how disingenuous you are being. That article is about repeated adjustments to models to make them come even close to fitting observed data. That grey area is a wide range of vriation from observed data.
    Is NY and FL under water yet? How 'bout that ice age?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    You pulled the same crap last time we looked at this. All I need to do is tell people to follow your link to see how disingenuous you are being. That article is about repeated adjustments to models to make them come even close to fitting observed data.
    No, that's just a crazy conspiracy theory on your part.

    Sucks to be you. All the data disagrees with you, so you're forced to resort to conspiracy theories to explain why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    Is NY and FL under water yet? How 'bout that ice age?
    As I explained, all of your side's predictions have failed. I'm just wondering why you insist on repeating your failed predictions.

    I would think you'd want to hide your 40+ years of complete failure, but you seem to want to highlight it. This confirms one of my points about how conservatism is a cult that worships failure, since success indicates someone is a dirty reality-observing liberal.

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